Can someone give me a reason why we should increase spending on the military?

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  1. Vegas giants

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    Relax. I played with those toys for ten years. It's just an expression. Yes we had to go to Afghanistan but could have left after a year and they would not have been able to support anyone that would attack us again. We stay way too long. Victory should mean they can not hurt us.....not nation building. 11 carrier groups arectwuce what we need to defend our shores. Close half the bases overseas. We will be safer than ever
     
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    That's true when it comes to the equipment.

    But there's also the lack of funding for training or replacing training for war with social engineering.

    Moral took a really big hit under Obama.

    Some other problems have popped up, The closing of USN shipyards during BRAC under Clinton that caused a huge backlog of ships needing repairs today. With so few civilian shipyards in the private sector today, they can't handle the workload.

    The military has become to dependent on technology.

    The U.S. has fallen behind Russia when it comes to electronic warfare.

    With the changing demographics in America today we are no longer a nation of warriors and the millennials and the Zer's are a joke where 3/4 are rejected from serving in the military. There's also a marksmanship problem and I think no one wan'ts to admit one caused the problem.
     
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    Ok I get you now. With Afghanistan we unfortunately took our eyes off it to go chase no longer existent or ghost WMD's in Iraq. My opinion is that should have doubled down in Afghanistan and left sooner once the task was done. Maybe not in a year but not 17 or 18 years either.

    We could close some bases but we need Carrier groups not just to protect our shores but to protect our commerce and our interests world wide.
     
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    Funds allocated to the military is fungible. I do not believe that Congress passes a budget bill for training. The military must have cut back on training due to the big sin of being underfunded.

    Will have to get back in on this. I have a concert to go to where all thre of my grandkids are in.

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    True story, happened about six years ago.

    There was a FA-18 squadron conducting a five days air combat training mission in the South West (Yuma Proving Grounds.)

    On day #3 all of the FA-18's were ordered out of the sky and to return to the airfield they were operating from.

    As ground crews were refueling their aircraft the pilots were told they had to end the training mission and they had to fly back to their home base to attend a mandatory PC sensitivity class.

    For eight years under Obama, soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen were ordered to attend PC social engineering classes instead of being out on the ranges training for war.
     
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    If we're to continue marching down the road of globalism, we'll need a strong overseas military presence to ensure cooperation. Outside that, I think we could downsize quite a bit and remain defensible.

    Either way, the military could certainly be made more efficient. We pay for a lot of waste.

    As an example I would like to see our carriers replaced with smaller ones. Not only do most of our OPs require only a handful of planes, but several small carriers could be grouped to accomplish the rare larger missions, they'd be a much more complicated target, and having one down for maintenance would be little problem. I imagine they would operate much cheaper as well.
     
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    Russia has one and china has one. We dont need 11. What a waste
     
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    I heard that story about PC Classes but I just cannot understand why any commanding officer would go along with cutting training short for PC classes. That in my book would be an illegal order and challengable under the UCMJ. This went on for 8 years!?
     
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    We gave up on marksmanship when we switched from the M-14 to the M-16 and decided that expending smaller but higher velocity bullets at a higher rate of fire was easier than marksmanship.
     
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    BRAC is a formalized way of base closing by committee. BRAC started under Reagan in 1988, then George H , two during Monika Boyfriend's years ( reason given "peace " dividend" with USSR gone and pre Putin times). There was one during George W years. I could have sworn that there was one under Obamski but it was 2005. I know that by 1972 after we started to rely on ICBM's Nixon started shutting down our SAC bases.
    We lost three or four SAC bases in New England. That was when we got BRACed before BRAC.

    I agree that technology needs to be a tool of the military not the only shot at the enemy.

    I wonder what is causing the higher rate of 4-F's these days. Except for those of my generation who were bent on avoiding serving during Vietnam the rest of us would be embarrassed if we found out we were
    4-F.
     
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    So you really didn't want an answer in your OP, which you got. You want to spread your liberalism around like a venereal disease.
     
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    Carrier groups are needed to project our influence and protect our interests around the world. We can better protect our shores by being able to stop the enemy far enough away before the last resort of using land based missles and aircraft. Russia is still very much a land based power and their serious naval threat was submarine based ICBM's and cruise missles from cruisers and frigates unless I am mistaken since I am an Air Force boy.

    China will continue to expand it's aircraft carrier fleet you can bet on that.
     
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    My point exactly. Stop projecting our power. Protect the homeland. It's what Russia and china do
     
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    If I recall correctly I did not get too much more than that ( @ $100) totaling the two pay checks per month as an E-2 right after basic.
     
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    Russia is back to invading it's neighbors and helping Assad commit genocide in Syria. It will not be be long before Putin puts his nose in Cuba again or Mexico or Venezuela.

    China is seriously expanding it's blue water navy. Looks what they did threading those islands the Spratelys. China is making inroads in Africa and they will be prowelling in the Med or at least in the Indian Ocean if they are not already. We will have to defend our homeland at the doorstep on Communist China.
    I do not see how we can reduce military spending ... and still maintain our security.
     
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    We should increase military spending because our deficit isn't high enough and we can definitely outspend China and Russia with economies growing much faster than us, and shouldn't rely on alliances for combining military strength.
     
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    The us has invaded two countries and installed pro US regimes. We are the aggressors. And Africa is won by economics....not force
     
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    We may have invaded other countries in the past and took over territory but that was 120 years ago. Russia did it just a couple few years ago.

    After China wins parts of Africa by economics they will bring force if their economic sphere is threatened.
     
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    The part of alliances I agree we well Trumpsscrewing that up royally.
     
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    Excuse me. We invaded Afghanistan and Iraq and installed pro US regimes. That is a fact. If we lose Africa by economics that is because we spend it all on the military
     
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    Even if Iraq and Afghanistan leans a little toward the US for now we have not occupied them, have not tried to make them speak our language after destroying theirs, not destroyed their culture or made adopt our religion as thevRussians have done to countries that they invaded.
     
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    Leans a little? That is hilarious. They are our allies and if we went to war anywhere near ther we could use their airfields anytime we want. Make them speak our language? Is that what we did to Japan and Germany? Please these places do what we say in time of war. We are the aggressors in the world taking over countries.
     
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    By the way.....Russia or the US does not have a religion to adopt
     
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    I was referring to Russia destroying language, culture, religion... Russia invades , renames and holds lands it invades.

    Very bad imperialist country that. RNusis
    Russia tries to replace good Christian religions such as Chatholic or Eastern Chatholic with the KGB run Russian Orthodoxy which is nothing but a terrorist organization. Russia is fighting with thecUkrainian Orthodox Church in the part that Russia invaded.

    Of course I know we are not allowed a state religion I was obviously being facetious. That is unless you will admit that democracy is our state religion or at least was until Trump.
     
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    Decades before Trump that national religion churchstate lynching enforcement diatribe tautology of suicidal Christiananality pedophile slavery super egos.....so praying in a Christian Nation of thieving US Constitution - old glory - old testament arsonists must be victim status standing for suicidal sociopsychopathic homicidal Islam Christiananality pedophile mentality business in the pyramid scheme.
     

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