Can someone point me to a Free Market Healthcare System that works?

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  1. Ericb760

    Ericb760 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What with Conservative disdain for Universal Healthcare, I assumed it would be easy for them to point to a Free Market Healthcare System somewhere on the planet that is better than Universal Healthcare at containing costs, and providing superior care. I've asked my Conservative friends, I've Googled the question, and I've yet to be provided with an answer.

    So, I'll ask it here.

    Where on this planet does a Free Market Healthcare System exist that is resoundingly better at delivering quality, affordable, healthcare to the masses, than does it's Universal Healthcare counterparts?

    Please don't respond if your answer is "Free markets blah, blah, blah..", or, "Socialism blah, blah, blah...".

    I need specific instances that currently exist somewhere on this planet.
     
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    Stop bringing in millions of legal and illegal 3rd world foreigners.

    We're not going to support a bunch of needy foreigners on the taxpayers backs. It's not sustainable.
     
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    Well, that accounts for 3.4% of the population. What about the other 96.6 percent?
     
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    Ericb760 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Off Topic much?
     
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    A true free market healthcare system cannot REALLY be called a "system".
     
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    Now you've gone and done it.

    What made me laugh was when before the ACA, people claimed our system was working. I went through a long drawn-out health crisis with each parent who both eventually died. After my marriage, it was the worst nightmare in my life.

    Never mind that insurance companies really did have death panels. Obamacare took them away.

    Note also that dollar for dollar, Medicare is more efficient that private insurance. So much for all the free market crap about medicine. The free market puts profit in competition with life.
     
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    It does not exist
     
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    Correct. I had never thought about but there is no example! It has never worked.
     
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    I feel for you. I think that is where a large part of this ignorance comes from, with people who have yet not had to deal with a major health crisis. It's difficult debating with people who only see the issue through a very limited perspective and have placed all their faith in the idea of a "free market", when there is no such thing.
     
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    Surely it must. Conservatives swear up and down that the only viable healthcare model is the free market model.

    They must be getting this idea from somewhere? Somewhere, anywhere, there must be a private, free market healthcare system in place that beats universal healthcare hands down. Otherwise, why would they be advocating so hard for it?

    My question remains. Where is this system presently in operation anywhere on this planet?
     
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    So you can't think of any. Got it.
     
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    America
     
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    No it's right on topic. Universal healthcare cannot work in a multicultural society such as the US, where the majority are carrying the weight of the black and Latino minorities.

    It's not fair and we're not going to stand for it.
     
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    Ericb760 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay. What would you like to call it?
     
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    Trump said he was going to cover everyone. EVERYONE.
     
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    It was unbelievable! And it just kept going on, and on, and on. I watched my mother suffer horribly because of the system. She would often get caught between the different insurance carriers, doctors and hospitals. At one point her pain specialist couldn't see her because he wasn't allowed visiting privileges in the hospital that did the freaking surgery! This was all because of insurance crap. It was unbelievable!!!

    Back in the 80s, the free market drove hospitals to start refusing critical patients in the ER. We had to pass a law stating that you can't allow a gunshot or heart attack victim to die at the ER door, while trying to get in. We aren't going to allow people to die on the streets with no emergency service except for those with insurance.
     
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    So, if we kick out all the minorities, you would support Universal Healthcare, as long as it was only provided to white people?
     
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    1930's USA, most people could pay medical bills with savings or in term payments and it wouldn't bankrupt households plus there were many charity and county funded hospitals which often were based on ability to pay. But modern examples don't exist.
     
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    If he can deport the 30 million illegals then MAYBE. But I still don't think it will be affordable for those of us who pay for it, and it will be garbage coverage for those who get it for free.
     
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    No one can deport 30 million people. Not even hitler
     
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    You don't know that.
     
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    No don't put words in my mouth. But Liberals love to import millions needy unskilled foreigners who leach off of our healthcare system. Especially at an age where automation will put millions of people out of work in the next 10 years.

    Real brilliant libs. I hope your feel good policies were worth the impending doom they will inevitably cause.
     
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    Is trump a lib? Universal healthcare is his idea too
     
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    We can certainly try. If all of the great men and women of history thought like that nobody would have ever accomplished anything.
     
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    AGREE.
    My favorite GOP line "Keep government from getting between you and your doctor".
    1) The government ISN'T.
    2) If it were, it'd be better than insurance companies between me and my doctor.
     
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