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Can speech be violence?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by chris155au, Apr 18, 2019.

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Can speech be violence?

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    In light of the insane, delusional idiots who say that criticism of Ilhan Omar is violence directed at her, without giving any explanation! :rofol:
     
    chris155au, Apr 18, 2019
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    The left believe ANY criticism towards ANY brown colored lefty is RACISM.

    That is all they are. Identity politics is the only thing democrats promote, the only way they seduce their masses and they only issues they cling to.

    So it's no wonder we have large swaths of people coming out of those institutions of lower living, better known as universities that truly believe any view that opposes their views is RACISM.
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    "Institutions of lower living." Oh I like that! Yours?
     
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    Speech alone generally isn’t violence but it could be reasonably called violent if it is intimidating, threatening, inciting or otherwise potentially harmful.

    Note that I’ve no idea about the statements which apparently inspired this thread, just offering some general linguistic information. English can be hard. :cool:
     
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    Can speech be violence?

    Well in the thread
    Conservatives Upset ‘The Good Fight’ Wants You To Punch Nazis

    some people are concerned that this TV show will incite people to punch Nazis in the nose.
     
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    Are you not aware of Trump's tweeted video which included Omar's words and footage from 9/11 and the insane reaction to it calling it violent?
     
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    So that means that they think that this kind of speech is violence?
     
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    Creasy Tvedt, Apr 18, 2019
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    Not at all. It’s worth remembering I’m not American but I don’t think that kind of stuff is important in general (though how people react to it can be). I didn’t need to know to answer your question, it could even be an advantage in getting a straight answer. :cool:
     
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    Apparently. At least when it's aimed at Nazis. My guess is when it's aimed at Omar, all of a sudden it's no big thing.
     
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    It's Trump's favorite thing.

    One guy has been arrested for death threats on the phone. Phone's are serious, too.
     
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    It's the title?
     
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    Yet Kathy Griffin can post a photo of herself holding a severed head......
     
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    United States free speech exceptions
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions
    In Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire (1942), the Supreme Court held that speech is unprotected if it constitutes "fighting words".[30] Fighting words, as defined by the Court, is speech that "tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace" by provoking a fight, so long as it is a "personally abusive [word] which, when addressed to the ordinary citizen, is, as a matter of common knowledge, inherently likely to provoke a violent reaction".[31] Additionally, such speech must be "directed to the person of the hearer" and is "thus likely to be seen as a 'direct personal insult'".[32][33]

    “True threats of violence” that are directed at a person or group of persons that have the intent of placing the target at risk of bodily harm or death are generally unprotected.
     
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    She got in huuuuuuuuuge trouble.

    I'm not defending her because I think it was stupid, but she's a comedian, so .....
     
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    Twitter is Trump's laser pointer. The left is the cat.

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    So his followers ignore it because his tweets are so stupid? I don't think so. He parrots them, they parrot him.
     
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    Speech can incite violence, especially when it emanates from a head of state.
     
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    Interestingly, Chaplinsky was arrested for calling someone a "damned fascist".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaplinsky_v._New_Hampshire

    So since you support this ruling, are you saying that calling someone a fascist should be illegal fighting words?
     
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    Would love to take credit for it, but I believe I heard Michael Savage say that.
     
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    Important as in newsworthy?
     
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    Not with her peers. In the end, the left's greatest fear is being ostracized from their peers. Not being invited to "the parties." That will happen if any fo them are found to be agreeing with conservatives about ANYTHING.

    That, is why we get into absurd debates about the use or misuse of damn PRONOUNS!
     
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