Can we believe anything!

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Private Citizen, Nov 17, 2014.

  1. Private Citizen

    Private Citizen Well-Known Member

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    "One man's truth is another man's propaganda" "one man's liberators is another man's terrorist" to what end? A piece of land, a field of oil, water supply, the opium trade, to establish a central bank system, the enslavement of a sovereign country, to expand a religious belief, because they hate our freedoms, to fight evil? One thing is for sure both sides agree that they are fighting evil. So we can believe that one small fact. Both sides are evil. Because we know both have evil intentions then can we believe anything either side has to say? I don't think so. What do you think?
     
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    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    I am thankful that my beliefs don't hinge on what they are to "another man".
     
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    I believe I'll go make myself a glass of lemonade....:smile:
     
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    Done, mmmm good.
     
  5. Tram Law

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    There's lots of things to believe in. There are a lot of things that can be proved by observation and verified with observable physical effects. You can take water and add an atom and it becomes hydrogen.

    But having faith in a philosophy is something else entirely. And for me, it's like the song by Sting, "IF I Ever Lose My Faith In you".

    Because there really isn't anything for me to have faith in.

    What can be done can be undone.

    And I've come to realize that life really is an absurd joke. Here it is:

    Life is sacred. life is sacred that we can force all people to be a robot. It's okay to hurt people to keep them in line, life is so sacred.
     
  6. Tommy Palven

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    The US State Department and it's unofficial wing, the Associated Press, have sold almost every American on the idea that the murderously repressive regime of former Mubarak henchman General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, which has abolished freedom of speech and imprisoned its political opponents and reporters, is more libertarian than the Freedom and Justice Party government of Dr. Mohammed Morsi that al-Sisi overthrew.

    If you believe that, you can, indeed, believe anything.

    The Freedom and Justice Party had a social organization that tried to advance the education and welfare of average Egyptian which is why they decisively won the democratic election.
    http://www.fjponline.com/

    But now that the Muslim Brotherhood and other moderate groups have been undermined, many in the Mid-East have turned toward IS, which isn't (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-footing around.
     
  7. Private Citizen

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    Not quite what I meant but sure.
     
  8. Private Citizen

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    I'm not losing faith TRAM LAW. I have been doing more reading then posting lately. I don't know how much you read other peoples posts, but it seams like the same people are arguing about the same thing every day. To what end... Every person believes that the story they believe in is the truth, and most of these people here and on other forums are not going to change their minds. It's just the same thing day after day after day. I get that people have no lives and just want someone to talk to. Is it healthy to beat a dead horse every day? I don't know I just wondered if anyone else see's this pattern of insanity. Or does everyone just make lemonade. Maybe it's the lemonade that is making people sour!
     
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    Here. Have a lemonade, on me.
     
  10. Private Citizen

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    :handshake:
    cheers
     
  11. Validation Boy

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    All news is fake.

    The congress, senate, and POTUS are ceremonial figureheads, owned by Zionist Satanists.

    The English language was considered the "Language of Witchcraft" by the ancients when it was first introduced to the world.

    NASA is nothing but lies, since their inception.

    Maritime Admiralty Law is completely unconstitutional, yet it is the legal standard in our courts.

    The people who occupy Israel are not Hebrews or Judean in any way, shape or form, but are instead Turkish Khazars who hijacked "Judaism" hundreds of years ago. Their bloodline currently occupies England's Royal Throne.
     
  12. Private Citizen

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    We can definitely prove the maritime law is a fact. Whether Zionist are satanic or not, we can't prove that. Some Zionist maybe but I have met a couple Zionist that I'm pretty sure they are good God fearing people. All news being fake is not true either, half the news is fake is closer to the truth. Your opinions are formed because some time in your life you were shown some truths that contradict what you were taught. i.e.if the American people are not really free like they taught us in school what else is a lie? We start to second guess everything we were ever taught. Once we get to that mind frame we start to not believe anything or we believe everything we think might be the reason.
     
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    I see your logic. It makes perfect sense.

    On the other hand, I've simply seen too much information over the years to redact any of the things I said earlier. I am willing to compromise on one item. The news is more likely 92 or 93% fake, not 100%. Let's not forget who owns the MSM.

    Aside from all of this, I firmly believe in another much bigger idea not touched on in this thread. This idea, which I'd rather not mention, is shockingly unpopular amongst even other "conspiracy theorists", yet its implications perfectly unify almost all conspiracy theories.
     
  14. Private Citizen

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    I'm guessing it's the Zionist conspiracy? I can agree there are many Zionist bad guys. i.e. The red mafia, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, The Rothschild's etc.... Then the complacency of the Zionist community. Am I close to what you are talking about. The Zionist conspiracy ties all the rest together. Plus it is very unpopular.
     
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    BTW I don't want to change your mind on any subject. I'm not inclined to change my mind either. I just wonder how much of the information out there is true (if any). Without a time machine we can't know for sure the history we know is true. I'm sure you heard the saying those that control the present control the past and future. The powers that be write history.
     
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    Of course. History is one giant Memory Hole.

    The Zionist conspiracy is one small cog in a much bigger conspiracy. They play a role they've been given.
     
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    Well if it's bigger than the Zionist conspiracy, then you must be talking about the ages old conspiracy of the book of Revelations and God, man, and devil.(That ties it all together) I can believe in that, there is no way to disprove or prove it. That is something that can only be proven or dis-proven on a person by person basis. Basically mixed results. God has worked in my life so I believe beyond a shadow of doubt that God exists and is good. I believe that to be true, but the bible, Torah, and Koran I can't bring myself to trust them as the complete works of God. Self proclaimed Kings and Pope's have tainted them to get people to accept their tyranny and taxes.
     
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    If someone is willing to kill you because you won't believe that their story is the only story, then changing and adding to the religious books is not beneath these people.
     
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    Its actually much bigger, even than that.

    However, if you'd enjoy a very deep long read concerning my opinion on those subjects, check out another OP of mine from a short while ago titled "The 2 Pillars".

    http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/377528-2-pillars.html
     
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    What you're describing is the collective delusion of two groups who believe there is a substantial difference between Republicans and Democrats. It's a great arrangement for the folks who actually run the country, namely financial and business interests. You have two legions of idiots who will regurgitate your talking points in the public square and perhaps take to the streets when need be, while never truly learning the root cause of our problems. Fox News isn't going to tell you how commercial banks redistribute wealth to the top, leaving the lower classes with stagnant wages and les purchasing power. Nor is MSNBC going to tell you that the Democrats take almost as much money from Wall Street, Big Banks, et al as Republicans.

    Isn't it weird that we never discuss the nature of debt, or corporate welfare, or the consequences of Neo-Classical economics and globalization? Isn't it odd that Congress acts almost in the sole interest of their major donors, despite political posturing?
     
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    A view of The Ministry of Truth's boy, General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi , who now reportedly receives $5 billion in US aid a year, at Salon.com:


    "And let Egypt stand as the most grotesque, boldest-faced display of Washington’s anti-democratic intent to be found anywhere in the region. Here the lines are most clearly drawn. Here the generals within and the meddlers without got the subversion work done in front of our eyes. And here neither Secretary of State Kerry nor National Security Adviser Susan Rice nor President Obama has anything to say as Egyptians surrender all hope of a return to elected government in exchange for a reign of terror worse than those of the dictators who provoked the Tahrir Square protests"-- Patrick Smith


    http://www.salon.com/2014/11/21/we_are_the_terrorists_too_thomas_friedman_and_jo...
     
  22. Private Citizen

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    The truth is out there, I can believe this post because it is a pattern that can be seen throughout history and the world today. The game risk comes to mind, world domination has been the driving force behind 90% of all wars. Very few were fought for freedom. Most wars are fought for world conquest. Wars can be avoided by placing a ruler in a region you wish to control. America has mastered this tactic.
     
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    What I know I can believe is that both sides lie more than is reasonable in any other environment and that I must apply critical thinking skills against every piece of news or other information I am presented with, including television, commercials, radio and other forms of media. It's more difficult today to find truth than to identify lies.
     
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    One of the things I believe is that people are basically good and organizations aren't.
     

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