Can you be liberal and Christian at the same time?

And you want the state to force people to do just that.

 

Liberals ignore Jesus' every word. They don't even believe He is the word made flesh. We conservatives have the same right to protect out nation just as the Jews had and still have the right to protect their nation.
Do you think Antifa is Christian? Are they not violent and fascist? Most of these liberal organizations are connected to Satanic sects! Democrats in general are heavily into the occult. The DNC Party Platform booed God three times! And you support this in the name of Jesus? Get real! How damn stupid do you think we are?!

 

Can't stop projecting, can you?

 

I take that back, it never occurred to me that you might be female...

 

It never occurs to you that you are consistently wrong even when you are proven to be wrong on a consistent basis!

 

What is a female? How does one know what a female is? How do we not know when a female will change into a male or even a cat? Liberals believe we can be trans-species and nobody can possibly know their sex. Yet we have roughly 5 thousands years of written history and in all that time only in the 21st century do we see a certain group of humans who do not know how to tell one gender from the other. Whose to say that one is female today, male tomorrow, right? Some females can change to a male and back to a female and then into a cat. This is the kind of reasoning liberals are guilty of. Its complete anarchy against simple ABC common sense--a radical movement hell bent on destroying modern civilization. Not very smart!

 

Do you think a comment like this will suffice as debate?

In a discussion about the evolution (on planet earth) of the awareness of justice and 'God" (or the Divine), devolution is a meaningless term. eg, there was no awareness of justice or God, during the age of the dinosaurs.

The story of a blessed time for Man in the Garden of Eden, since which time we have devolved, after Eve ate an apple, is myth (not science) designed to explain the existence of suffering and evil in the world. (However, we can disregard the biblical account of creation, from a scientific viewpoint).

The actual cause of suffering is the predation and competition for resources ordained by nature on this planet, still being played out by men when it's no longer necessary (with advancing AI and IT, the resources exist to eliminate resource scarcity and hence potentially eliminate much competition that is the cause of conflict.)

 

My point is the current neoliberal free-trade system has passed its use-by date; patently, Trump doesn't want to stick to WTO rules, and while most other leaders appear content with these rules, many of their citizens in their own countries do not eg casualties of the 'rust-belt' in the first world, and casualties of virtual slave wages in the third world. (This is the cause of world- wide rejection of the political 'mainstream', manifested in the US by (outsider) Trump's election, and strong support for Sanders on the Left).

China is a rapidly developing nation that has progressed well during the last 3 decades, but economists point to a looming debt problem, and Trump's tariffs won't help at all.

Apart from some discord over the word 'discord', it seems we are in broad agreement. Obviously another look at and serious consideration of Keynes' Bretton Woods proposal (in 1944) for a "clearing union" to which all nations would belong, would be a constructive step in the right direction.

 

"Well-ordered" is a code-word for violence? (As WillReadmore asked: you don't believe in law enforcement?)

To an Anarchist I suppose. Just shows the error at the basis of Anarchist philosophy.

Only an Anarchist could come up with this type of double-speak:

"Did Jesus call for violence "as a means of maintaining order and promoting His message of peace, forgiveness, and charity?"

The ideal of voluntary agreement among members of a complex society of self-interested individuals is of course mythology.

(Actually we might get close to that ideal one-day, when peace and prosperity reign around the globe.... but an 'America First' policy certainly won't get us there...)

As for Tog 6's fear that the state will confiscate his hard-earned wealth to pay for services to the disadvantaged, I have a good news story, but his ideology - everyone for himself - won't allow him to consider it.​

 

They are of course reacting against violence and fascism on the extreme Right, employing the same tactics.

As for 'conservative' (Right) Christianity, beware of Gandhi's words (he was a Hindu who led a non-violent protest against British rule in India):

"If it wasn't for Christians, I'd be a Christian".

 

Absolutely...I want the pledge of allegiance changed to “I pledge allegiance to Renee” and I want people to have no representatives to fight against it. My morality or nothing!

 

Spoken like a true extremist! Hey the kkk and white supremists are fine Christians while we are into satanism and the occult lol ...the DNC booed GOD.? Well I saw the RNC cheer for killing all puppies and making women sex slaves. It must be true, it was on the Internet.
But it’s good Christians like you who justify children ripped from their parents....

 

Damned if I know, and damned if I care.

In a discussion about the awareness of Justice and God, "evolution" is a lot worse than meaningless.

Didn't bother with the rest.

 

Can anyone be a Christian and keep children in cages with tin foil "blankets"? NO.

 

Latest version of Session's bible says "Suffer the little children to be locked in cages for committing no crimes".

 

Why do you believe it is moral to force other people to abide by your morality?

 

Only an extremist believes everyone should be forced to live by a certain version of morality.

 

If it is used to initiate violence against peaceful people then I am against it. Do you consider it immoral to violate a legislated law? Think about the words "law enforcement" for a moment. What does that mean? It means people, individuals, who will obey the orders of their superiors and enforce their rules written on paper without question and without concern for whose rights are trampled.

I am fine with peacekeeping. Law enforcement means command and control.

 

I see, where did Jesus say "destroy thy neighbor at the behest of Caesar if that neighbor crosses you?"

You put Leviathan, in fact you idolize Leviathan, before God's children and then judge liberals. That log in your eye is absolutely gigantic.

Should I care if they are or not? They, like you conservatives, believe that the state has become God and has ultimate authority over the lives of everyone.

So your response is more violence, rather than turning the other cheek. Complain about "liberals" all you want, it's just an excuse to feel good about your own violence and ignore the precepts of the religion you claim to adhere to. You'll probably complain about violent Muslims next, but you are no better than they and likely more hypocritical.

 

This post makes no sense to me.

 

Well, we lost steel in the rust belt because we got out competed. We failed to upgrade to new processes, etc. Trump demonstrated that government can't buy off industries that want to move - their reasons to move are more important than something Trump can buy off. See Carrier and Ford. The bottom line is that our economy actually has to compete and it has to do so successfully. If it doesn't, then they won't continue to exist in America.

There ARE ways to keep them here, but they have to do with providing the infrastructure these corporations need - including local innovation, educated/trained employees, solid transportation and communication infrastructure, along with other stuff that we already provide - stable markets, legal protection, secure markets,dependable economy, etc., etc.

And, not the threats and bonuses Trump keeps trying.

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The WTO is that "clearing union" today.

Not all nations belong to the WTO, as they like to take part in activities the WTO doesn't approve of. But, with a health WTO can be powerful in causing China and others to behave fairly.

So, I I liked reading your post and agree with most of what you're saying here.

It seems like Trump is by FAR the largest problem as he leads a major world economy and is uninterested in ANY kind of multinational policy organization related to trade.

 

I know a LOT of wrong is done in the name of law enforcement.

Trump policy involves yanking babies away from mothers while they are nursing.

Police forces as shooting unarmed black kids in the back.

Etc., etc.

But, those heinous criminal behaviors do not define law enforcement.

Law enforcement also includes giving warnings at traffic stops, moving offenders to care facilities rather than jailing them, selecting which laws need to receive serious attention, etc. There are principles of limits on force, on high speed chases that endanger others, on where guns may be discharged, etc., etc.

Officers in the field DO have significant latitude - they are not droids programmed to do combat at the moment one of our millions of laws is broken.

And, we can help manage what they do by all the legal (and illegal) means of public comment. Many cities have citizen review boards, for example. We laws on what law enforcement may do. We have judges, and cases will be tossed if there is misbehavior on the part of law enforcement.

In the end, I think you are rejecting an extreme. And, that extreme does need to be rejected, but that doesn't mean the whole concept of enforcement must be tossed.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Can anyone be a Christian and keep children in cages with tin foil "blankets"? NO.

OMYGAWD! Where have you been? Turn on your TV or computer or open a newspaper....there is a WORLD out here ..YOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!

You really haven't heard of the right's policy of ripping children from their parents and caging them up with nothing to cover up with but aluminum foil???
It is ALL OVER THE NEWS!!!!!...as is all these Christians cheering about it and supporting it !!!!!


I'm an atheist and appalled at the cruel nasty treatment this country gives children , under their immoral maniac and only god, Trump..

 

And I suppose they are tossing the children off cliffs to the hungry alligators also huh?

lol

 

What was the crime committed by a nursing baby that it should be taken away from it's mother and put in a federa facility?

Where IS that facility, since the government refuses to say?

Why are the guards in these facilities ordered not to pick up the small children to comfort them?

What long term damage is being done by warehousing them for every lengthening periods of time in facilities where there is no friendly contact, no toys, no books no organized actiivity, no education, etc?

I SERIOUSLY don't understand those who see this kind fo horrendous punishment being levied against children all the way down to BABIES!

We're proving ourselves to be MONSTERS.

Anyone who accepts that can not POSSIBLY claim to be Christian. Period.

"Suffer the little children to come unto me and I will given them rest."

Ha! If they come to OUR government, they sure as HELL will suffer.