Can you be liberal and Christian at the same time?

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  1. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We didn't go and bring them here you know, the mother brought that child here.

    Our rules are in place and are not a secret.

    There are 127 million people living just fine in Mexico yet this woman felt the need was so great to risk her babies life to come to America?

    There is also a well known process for applying for Asylum without sneaking over the border.

    If you sneak you will be caught and your baby taken from you so don't do it.

    Its not our fault.

    Its hers.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How exactly did the child suffer?

    It probably received much needed medical care from us.

    And if they are all suffering you may want to tell them that maybe they should go someplace they won't suffer.
     
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    BleedingHeadKen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because they do some good, that excuses the unjust things that they do? Will you also apply the Nuremberg defense?

    The extreme is part and parcel of the profession. You want government to provide you security and in return you give up liberty so that they can also command and control you. You also don't get much security considering the cost.
     
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    You’re he one who is projecting that. It’s comical because you created this strawman that I believe everyone should be forced to live by my morality and then you go off on it like I said that. But you never address the question about what is moral and what isn’t moral. What are you being forced to live by that you think is immoral? Educating children?
     
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    Renee Well-Known Member

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    Don’t you ever read a newspaper?
     
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    Renee Well-Known Member

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    Is this what America has become? Your last sentence makes me so sad
     
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  7. Spooky

    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well hell, why don't we invite all hurting people all over the globe to come to America.

    We can hold a billion more in our nation.

    Is that what you are saying, that America should be the savior to everyone?
     
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    a better world Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for exposing your 'head in the sand' attitude, and no interest in exploring truth and reality (as opposed to ideology).

    An interesting case study in closed mindedness.
     
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    Nonsense. Law enforcement is the sanction applied to those who break the law.

    In a democracy, the law itself is that which is judged by society to be beneficial to the functioning of society.

    The law of course is always a work in progress, open to amendment in the legislature and judiciary (or should be, provided people are not wedded to a constitution as if it were holy writ).

    You are not living in a dictatorship.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Can anyone be a Christian and keep children in cages with tin foil "blankets"? NO.






    OMYGAWD! Where have you been? Turn on your TV or computer or open a newspaper....there is a WORLD out here ..YOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!

    You really haven't heard of the right's policy of ripping children from their parents and caging them up with nothing to cover up with but aluminum foil???
    It is ALL OVER THE NEWS!!!!!...as is all these Christians cheering about it and supporting it !!!!!


    I'm an atheist and appalled at the cruel nasty treatment this country gives children , under their immoral maniac and only god, Trump..







    I am not surprised that a Christian can mock and make fun of the horror those children are going through...not surprised at all....they don't really care about "precious life" ...
     
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    No one with any affinity for either would take one step down any intellectual road you and your ilk would care to travel.
    Yes, my mind is very much closed to rancid imbecilities, not sorry for any inconvenience.
     
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    Those willing to commit acts that our society can not accept are the reason we need laws and law enforcement - not reasons for no laws and thus no law enforcement.
    Your quote is both inaccurate and misinterpreted.

    Law enforcement is not above the law unless we fail to prosecute.

    We don't have to let policemen shoot unarmed civilians in the back for no reason.

    That is something that we the people CHOSE to allow.
     
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    The quote you were trying for came from an argument by Franklin concerning Penn's insistence that he pay no tax for defense of Pennsylvania. He wanted to pay a relatively small lump sum instead.

    Franklin argued that governments should have the authority to raise taxes for national defense as per the will of the citizens expressed by their representatives.

    If you want to know the actual text and the full meaning of Franklin's argument, look it up.
     
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    so, YOU suggest someone tell the nursing baby that she should go somewhere else???

    What the heck is up with you today?

    You keep claiming to be a Christian and then you pop off with this snide garbage about children?

    You need to fix that.
     
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    People who voices in their heads. Weird, isn't it.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You might want to ask yourself why a nursing mother is carrying a child across 100 miles of desert in extreme heat.

    Yeah, that's where the baby should be.

    And we are the abusers lol.
     
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    Perhaps Canada or the EU would be willing to accept them?
     
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    What is happening to those children falls under Crimes Against Humanity.
     
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    The Nuremberg trials negated the just following orders BS.

    EVERYONE involved is committing crimes against those children and anyone who CONDONES what they are doing to those children is AIDING and ABETTING those crimes.
     
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    Good grief! :eek:

    Have you no compassion and empathy for others?

    Can you even imagine what it means for a small child to be torn away from it's mother and locked away in a cage without any idea as to why they are being so brutally punished?
     
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    "Me and my ilk?"

    The sort of response I would expect from an ISIS theologian, disappointing on an American debating forum.

    But hang on, the ISIS bloke would likely wish to defend his stance; whereas apart from an unexplained comment on 'devolution', you have only displayed emotion (evident in the quote above), minus any reasoning at all.
     
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    'Spooky' isn't it.

    Build a wall and the world's biggest bomb to defend it - nope, no compassion there.

    So I expect the view is: no need to work toward solving a problem which obviously requires global oversight of all national economies, to ameliorate and then reverse this current global refugee catastrophe.
     
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    Maybe you should ask yourself, Oh Christian, what this woman fears so much that she's fleeing across a desert with her kids?

    Do you REALLY think these people come here for a Disney vacation? They come because life in their country is hell and they want their children to live..

    ....and you find that wrong?!!!!


    YES, the US is abusing children by separating them from their parents for no good reason and putting them in cages like animals.

    And some of those who are against women having the right to their own bodies(abortion), those HYPORITES who claim they think abortion is wrong because it's "precious life" are the same people supporting this internment of children in cages....worse accomodations than the American Japanese had in WW2, worse accomodations than felons in prison...…



    I guess Jesus was all FOR caging children and mocking their suffering....what a CREEP he must've been
     
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    Wasn't Jesus supposed to be the savior of EVERYONE ???


    Or just safe, comfy unaware whiteys?
     
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    WTF! You don't think children suffer when they're separated from their parents and put in stark cages where they have nothing familiar !!!

    Many of them are too young to even know what's happening to them....




    And severe mental trauma...


    OKEY DOKEY THEN OH LOVING CHRISTIAN, let's turn those lids loose and let them go someplace where they won't suffer....

    WHERE exactly do these kids walk to? Or do they hop on private jets to the Riviera???

    They are fleeing from a country where they DID suffer...WTF can't you get about that? Or don't you want to get it?


    Is it easier to judge and condemn like your Jesus did??? Is that what HE preached?



    Isn't it nice for people to claim they're Christian but show NO signs of BEING Christian....

    OR IS that what Christians are all about???
     
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