Can you be liberal and Christian at the same time?

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  1. Ndividual

    Ndividual Well-Known Member

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    Please don't misquote me, I never said our money has any intrinsic value, if it did we could produce much more of it without devaluing it, although some of our coins do have intrinsic value.
     
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    Ndividual Well-Known Member

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    How about murder and theft, should we make them legal since they are mentioned in the ten commandments? I'm an athiest, but I understand the 1st amendment to only mean the government cannot mandate the acceptance of any one religion, not that religious beliefs should not be allowed to influence peoples demands upon government.
     
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    Do you believe that people only regarded murder to be wrong because of the 10 Commandments?

    The separation of church and state was not about the exclusivity of any one religion - it was to ensure that religion was not used to influence governmental decisions.
     
  4. Ndividual

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    Do you believe that only Christians are against abortion?

    I disagree, it was to not allow any one religion to prevail over the people.
     
  5. a better world

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    I'm thinking I need to take my proposition to a tertiary mathematics department, since your refutation (of my quite specific proposal for 'money printing' overseen by a properly constituted IMF) amounts to "you can't do that because it will cause inflation"; while WillReadmore says "you can't do that because the Pentagon will quickly eliminate any such IMF".

    Will's objection is political; not many people understand that the politically enforced adoption of the crippling UNSC veto was irrational, because if you want to solve international disputes by means other than by war or war's proxy, ie, entrenched poverty, you need a UNSC without veto.

    But I'm more interested in exploring the theoretical interaction of my proposal with economic reality. You have already bailed out of that discussion, believing it nonsensical on economic (not political) grounds.

    Let's see if tertiary mathematics can confirm irrationality, in this matter.
     
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    No, but thanks for asking!
     
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    Well then, all the more reason to double the efforts against nutters trying to wedge christianity into our government, considering that the nation identifies as about 80% Christian.
     
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    Who needs to wedge Christianity into this Christian Nation when it has already gone to such lengths to prove it's second coming conspiracy thru 9/11 where liberal Islam pedophiles with all their immaculate drug conceptions seemingly are beyond the pleasure principle as a Papal contingent celebrating in Ireland while baptizing thine eyes by urinations weathering the ire of this land with exposures of church pedophilia business.
     
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    If you want the IMF to print money, let them print Euros.
     
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    I believe neither in Christianity nor Marxism.
     
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    As I said, I already know your concern ie inflation, I'll look into it.

    (Of course, since self-interest is the chief concern of your political stance, read $US inflation)

    Meantime: the Australian body politic is imploding (six leaders in six years), because the Paris accords forbid use of one of Australia's chief economic resource advantages ie, almost unlimited cheap, high quality coal. (Australia is the world's largest exporter of 'high quality' - energy dense - coal). The resultant dispute between the Greens (environmental) party and the Right is as you would expect, as noted above.

    (From a self-interested Aust. point of view, since Aust emits only c.1.5 % of the offending global CO2 emissions, and therefore Aust. policy will have virtually no impact on AGW, the doubling of electricity prices to conform with Paris is highly resented among a sizable portion of the population).

    Now, say a country, eg, Japan, discovered technological mastery of nuclear fusion, AND science actually proved that the fossil fuel industry world wide had to be closed down immediately to prevent an environmental catastrophe (I'm sitting on the fence with that...but pushing on for the sake of the argument), how would you disseminate the new (Japanese) technology ASAP, to avoid the impending environmental catastrophe?

    Remember: unlimited - and hence free - clean energy is now available in this scenario.

    Obviously you yourself would restrict access to only those countries who could afford to 'pay' for it, despite the fact that, after the power plants were built, the electricity is free forever....

    Pity you reject (Pavlovian reflex?) any manifestation of 'Marxism' on ideological grounds, because of irrational or unbalanced concerns for individual liberty, which self-evidently (though not to you) requires some degree of limitation, by rule of law.

    Btw, you wouldn't have to build a ridiculous wall on the Mexican border, if you could see past your own concerns for your own 'liberty', and actually assist development of the international cooperation required to implement policies to facilitate prosperous development in all nations - but no doubt that's 'Marxism' to you.
     
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    Try concentrating on one topic at a time.
     
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    The people trying to display Christian trinkets in government offices. The people trying to force creationism into the science classroom. The people trying to use public money to send children to Jesus schools. The people trying to force passing of legislation allowing an end around on existing laws for people who claims they violate their personal religious beliefs. The people tryingto force government sponsorship of religious activity.

    Thanks for asking.
     
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    No reason to for asking as they have been doling out their mores for as long as one can remember, which is back to before elementary school warding kids off with crosses while the KKK marches to onward Christian Soldiers; where around turkey day an annual choice for Christ for the school play seems to be a running joke, as when coming back into class after eating a lunch worthy of needing an immediate bathroom visit from mystery food & raising one's hand gets the question asked of the class disregarding any future medical problems......
     
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    Don't buy any green bananas. I don't think I need to refute misinformation that most educated people already know is BS.
     
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    Only a lefty could think keeping their own money is taking from the government.....geez.....smh.....
     
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    Only a righty wants everything for free.
     
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    "green bananas", the world's oldest stalest joke.

    The rest: you can't refute it.
     
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    Free? How is keeping the money I earn anything to do with "free"?
     
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    You use everything taxes pay for but don't want to pay taxes....that is wanting everything for free.


    You want to live off what everyone else but YOU pays for.
     
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    That's being liberal & Christian at the same time as all these Pennsylvania pedophile priests doing their best in being better ChristHitlers to surpass WWII Nazi Germany concentration pedophilia business without killing millions......
     
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    Being of any religion and being of any political ideology are never mutually exclusive.
     
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    WTF was that all about....
     
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    LOL! And many people use these things and pay zero. Some even take without paying.
     
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    Yup, sadly those millionaire and billionaires take without paying their fair share....
     

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