Can you be liberal and Christian at the same time?

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  1. Aphotic

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    I am doubting a child's ability to think for themselves. I am also doubting a child's ability to make observations and decisions when presented with only biased information.

    I think they do. It's a disgusting thing to insinuate, as Calvinists do, that children are born unclean and must be baptized - as if the most precious thing in our lives, a new born infant, is somehow a stained and tainted thing.

    Christianity as a whole is full of this hideous example of things being taken literally.

    I gave it. Life came from the seas. Of course this can change - and probably will change - to show unequivocally that life originated somewhere in the milky way galaxy or beyond. I find that all together far more fascinating, amazing and invigorating than the notion a creator blinked everything into existence.

    Abiogenesis is the best explanation we have for the origin of life -at this time.-

    It's based on observation. The entire reason for life's existence is the continuation of a species. The point of humanity is not to die for some god, it's to beget more humans, to spread our genes, to reproduce.

    The same can be said for all species of animal, plant, sea life, microorganism on this entire planet.

    There is certainly more evidence of this notion then the notion we exist to serve the whims of a derelict god who couldn't be bothered to even grace us with his ire until a few thousand years ago, in sub-Saharan Africa/ME, and to an uneducated plebe at that.

    The entire thing is ridiculous.
     
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    I blocked Ndividual a while ago, because he was stalking me through various threads and replying for no need.

    In my age I've grown to enjoy ignoring people who do such things.
     
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    Straw man.

    The purpose of life is indeed to make more life. Of course there is the subjective notion of life, the experiences within - and we can stratify that if we want, but the observable evidence is pretty clear.

    Humans do not exist to not make more humans.
     
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    Straw man.

    The purpose of life is indeed to make more life. Of course there is the subjective notion of life, the experiences within - and we can stratify that if we want, but the observable evidence is pretty clear.

    Humans do not exist to not make more humans.
     
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    Why The Face over being so cross conditioned way beyond therapy to avoid acceptance of a fabricated misnomer of an immaculate conception just to be in a master race of compulsive-obsessive super egos engaged in some millenniums old pedophilia business still with a master plan to fly rock pyramids to the stars is what.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All you are doing is repeating your claim.. as if this constitutes proof of claim. You have given no explanation or evidence showing that your claim is true.
     
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    Yawn. Religion has had how long to prove its claim. Tell me how their claim has any evidence whatsoever.
     
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    Children become adults you know.

    What diverse church experience are you basing that on?

    The Christian belief is that God created the universe, not just planet earth and the life on it. So that includes the Milky Way Galaxy and beyond.

    This whole time, I thought that you were saying that science has a conclusive explanation.

    Observing what exactly?

    Who says that it is "to die for some god?"

    "Uneducated plebe?"
     
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    Conservatives think that those people are NOT blessed? Surely you can't be serious.
     
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    I interpret them in the only way that they CAN be interpreted! Google "Public accommodation laws." THAT is my interpretation! Now do you agree with them?
     
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    'Under US federal law, public accommodations must be accessible to the disabled and may not discriminate on the basis of "race, color, religion, or national origin."'
    If the above is what you refer to, then yes, I agree with it.
    Do you?
     
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    Yes, long after they are spoon fed a hate filled ideology that instills in them a Calvinist belief they are born dirty and need to be washed clean by the grace of some deity they will never meet or talk to.

    Then, when they are adults, they are kicked out of their families, shamed, and ignored because they have the audacity to question the corrosive dogma they have been fed their entire lives.

    You lot -indoctrinate- children into a cult of malinformation and a cult of disbelief in observable and measurable evidence.

    And, they become adults long after you lot brutally and barbarically circumcise them, in the case of male babies.

    Do you believe in Baptism?

    And this belief is both dangerous and idiotic. It's dangerous because it does not answer questions in a verifiable way and it's idiotic because it functions without the necessity of a deity.

    Explain to me why this explanation, that a creator god, is the better explanation, than those proposed by science.

    It has a conclusive answer until that answer is challenged and proven through verifiable means to be untrue. This is far different from the moral mountain Christianity and all Abrahamic religions claim for themselves, that GOD is the reason for everything.

    Really?

    I say it's to die for some god. That's what your holy book says. I reject all the biblical claims of the truth and dismiss it as the folklore of the times.

    And?
     
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    You seemed to be saying that you "oppose creation of any such law or legal action compelling" businesses to serve everyone.
     
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    I have no comment on the claims of religion other than it is an anathema to logic and reason for a human to speak for God - to claim to know what God thinks or has for breakfast in the morning. I love bacon !

    You claim - in relation to knowing the "purpose" of a human/life is equally flawed as it presupposes knowledge of the unknowable.
     
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    Disagree. My claim is observable. Why does life exist? To create more life. That's why it exists.

    The claim that religion has is that we exist for the whims of a celestial Kim Jong Un are not appetizing and I refute them utterly.

    I do not think, beyond the need to replicate, life has a meaning to exist; it's sheer happenstance, which is all together more enticing, more provocative and more elating then the theist proposition.
     
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    Where?
     
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    The fact that humans propagate -does not mean that is the purpose of life - just as the fact that humans smoke cigars does not mean smoking cigars (something that is observable) is the purpose of humans.

    If a human creates a Robot that has self replication ability (which some day we will do) does not mean that the purpose of that Robot is self replication.

    Since we do not know the intent of the creator - or the creative force - we do not know what the purpose of life is.

    You are engaging in assumed premise fallacy.

    1) You are assuming there is no creator or creative force - something you can not prove or
    2) assuming that you know the intent of the creator or the creative force -something you can not prove.
     
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    I assume there is no creator or creative force because there is no evidence of it at all.

    Your premise hinges on there being a creator or creative force and thus is not admissible as an actual argument. You rely on the premise in order to form your argument.

    You'd need to prove the claim there is a creator before the rest of your argument makes any sense.

    Since that's impossible, the rest is invalid.
     
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    Right here:
     
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    There should be a law compelling shopkeepers to 'choose' their customers?
     
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    Is that a question?
     
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    The purpose of ending with a question mark instead of a period would indicate it to be so.
     
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    How is that hate filled? What is the "hate" and who exactly is it directed to?

    And are you under the impression that every church in the world is Calvinist?

    And how do you know that it is "some deity they will never meet or talk to?"

    Are you under the impression that every church in the world is Westboro Baptist Church?

    What do you mean "observable and measurable evidence?"

    Are you under the impression that every church in the world practices circumcision?

    What insane church experience are you basing your opinions on? You seem to think that every church in the world is a Calvinistic, Westboro Baptist like church which practices circumcision! That would certainly be a very strange church!

    What do you mean do I "believe" in it?

    What functions without the necessity of a deity?

    Because science cannot conclusively explain how something can come out of nothing.

    I'm sorry, but any scientist in the world would laugh at you! It is THEORY! Therefore it cannot be a "conclusive answer!"

    Yes, REALLY! What are you observing to convince you that "the purpose of life is to beget more life?"

    If you are unable to answer and just want to LAZILY throw another "REALLY?" my way, then fine! However, I think that you can do much better than that!

    Where exactly does The Bible say that?

    What did you mean by "uneducated plebe?"
     
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    Why would you start a question with "there?" It doesn't sound right, that's why I checked.
     
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    Why are you asking this if you already know that such laws exist?
     

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