Can you be liberal and Christian at the same time?

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  1. it's just me

    it's just me Well-Known Member

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    You are so dishonest it's laughable. I have said none of those things, I criticised you and those like you.
     
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    it's just me Well-Known Member

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    What you think and believe is here for all to see, you put it out there. You have no self awareness.
     
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    Now I can answer this fully since I am not posting from a phone. You wrote this:

    Please point me to there I allegedly said or thought that you were some kind of a leach. What I did say is that you apparently project your own shortcomings on others. Here's another one:

    This is so wrong on so many levels I don't know where to start. To begin with, Jesus IS God, according to what Christianity has always taught. Besides, if you are not a rich liberal like you claim to be what do you share if all you have is poverty? Do you expect the poor who are against some social programs to share their poverty just because they are Republicans? This is the problem you libs have when you try to tell conservative Christians what they are supposed to do according to your twisted theology. Your attitude reminds me of the Hollywood types and Washington D.C. types: "I have mine, you have to give up yours". Which brings me to this:

    I know enough about Christ to know that the feeding of the 5000 was about the Eucharist - Jesus shares HIS body and HIS blood, it's not MY body or MY blood, and not about your false piety. You have taken a "holier than thou stance against others who don't look, think or live exactly like they do" (these are your own words if your don't recognize them) from the very beginning of this conversation. Does this passage from the Bible (that would be the New Testament, specifically) ring a bell?

    To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

    “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

    “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

    The message is this: don't be a Pharisee, get Direct TV.

    With that out of the way, the reason people are against (some) social programs is because they are WASTEFUL. People have tried to tell you this and it doesn't sink in. Let's look at the story of the 10 talents:

    “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted to them his property. To one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money. Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here, I have made five talents more.’ His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here, I have made two talents more.’ His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’ But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

    Wasting money is a sin. And wasting it so you can pat yourself on the back and claim you are better than other people is even more of a sin. You claim to have money and property. Well, guess what? If your are going to claim to be a Christian IT'S NOT YOURS. It belongs to the Father and he expects you to use it wisely. If you don't, you end up like the servant with the one talent. You'll lose what you have and then some. For the final definitive evidence I point you to the Didache, which is a catechism of early Christians. This is common sense:

    "Happy is he that gives according to the commandment; for he is guiltless. Woe to him that receives; for if one having need receives, he is guiltless; but he that receives not having need, shall pay the penalty, why he received and for what, and, coming into straits (confinement), he shall be examined concerning the things which he has done, and he shall not escape thence until he pay back the last farthing."

    In other words, just handing out money to people indiscriminately is not just stupid, giving to people who are not in need causes them to sin, because they receive what the poor should have received, it's stealing. The imagery of that last sentence is here:

    "Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison. Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny."

    In the parable of the unjust steward, he will never get out of hell because he can't pay the debt.
     
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    Sounds like an endorsement of a means-based welfare system, funded by progressive taxation.

    [In our complex national economies , reliance on charity to deal with local need is impracticable]
     
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    I've never been interested in Marxist tendencies, I was raised better.
     
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    It's an endorsement of nothing, it's a warning.
     
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    I have said the same thing (and given a number of examples to prove it) on several Christian professing forums and have been banned by them for saying so.
     
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