Can you be spiritual without being religious?

Most Priests are gay? Who knew?

You know, the RCC is not the only denomination that has Priests, and the others are allowed to marry.

"Father" is a title that goes with the ordination certificate and it denotes a specific set of responsibilities, like "doctor" does in secular fields, although you can be both a doctor and a father.

It also connotes apostolic succession, and every Priest I know can trace their priestly succession back to the apostles - Roman Catholic, Anglican, Episcopalian, EO, etc.

 

You are the guy who once told me you were going to strangle God when you met him. I thought that was amusing.

 

I like to say "It couldn't possibly be my father or your father."

 

"Recent"? Look at this. It goes all the way back to the earliest Christian centuries. Gnostics came even before that. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_mystics

But it is noteworthy that you argue on the basis of what you perceive to be popularity of the view, rather than on awareness and insight and Knowing.

What she's saying is that humanity has intellectualized the subject of spiritual realization.

Yes. Hinduism is not so different from Christianity, for example.

 

This seems to be about the definition of spirituality, I asked about the definition of religion. It takes me 17 minutes to watch the video, if you have good arguments, write them down, that should be easier and faster for the both of us. I watched the video, but I'm still not sure what you suggest I take from it.

 

Don't you believe the Bible? And how are you reborn in Christ?

 

When you use the term 'father' when speaking or writing about God, you don't add all the synonyms as you're trying to do now, so you leave it up to the listener or reader to supply their own definition, which 99 times out of a hundred denotes 'male' 'and human'.
A doctor is a doctor to everyone, while a father is only a father to members of that religion.

 

But the gays go into the clergy to get their parents off their backs because they're ashamed to admit they are homosexual. And the Catholic church has been complicit with trying to cover up for all the pedophiles in the church.

 

I don't think so. I think that in the long ago, people experienced paranormal events and visitations from those who has passed and reasoned that there was more to reality than this mortal life. Then some ****** figured out he could have wealth and power by inventing religion. The spiritual world exists not because of religion but in spite of it and will continue to exist even if religion had never been invented. There are no rules such as the 10 Commandments, no judgment and no punishment.

 

Your inability to see the esoteric expressions of spiritual beliefs doesn't mean they are absent!

Gnostic works are LOADED with supernatural ideas!

 

I think we all understand that God is not a human and therefore not a male human being.

And some people will call you "Father" out of politeness, but most people aren't polite any more.

 

And I think most people think of God like this -



C'mon you can say it. You know I'm right.

 

I think religion arose based upon different modes of consciousness, different. states of consciousness. And there seems to be a state, that can be arrived at by mediation or even drugs like DMT( which is produced by the human body, along with it being produced by some plants) that is conducive to this thing called religious experience. And from these non ordinary states of consciousness religion arose, which later became organized, with other ideas added, ideas created by the brain in ordinary consciousness, and there ya go.

Religion provided for positions of power and influence for human beings, who seem to like that sort of thing, some of us. Perhaps the sociopaths? ha ha

And so when you look at the teachings of christ, what he taught did not require another human as an authority, for the only authority present in his teachings is the authority that comes from within man, and not from other men. But there is no profit for man in a religion based upon only an inner authority, i.e. God. And so man had to change that and of course did.

Human nature will corrupt anything it touches, as human nature is exercised. And it has. Especially religion but many other things as well.

 

DaVinci did, anyway...

 

so apparently did the writers of the bible. In his own image and all.

 

This is utter hogwash, nobody who has actually read the New Testament can say this.

 

What Bible are you talking about?

 

The one mikey's patron believed in of course.

 

(1) I would regard Islam (which specializes in jihads) as a cult--not a bona fide religion. (As for the Inquisition, it is really hard to tie modern-day Christianity to an atrocity committed by some hundreds of years ago.)

(2) What, pray tell, is "putrid" about modern-day Christianity (which is, after all, the most widely practiced religion in the US)?

(3) What, exactly, is your definition of being "spiritual," without any God? (Note: Having some moral compass--which atheists and agnostics may, indeed, have--is hardly the same as being "spiritual.")

 

1.5 billion humans would disagree with your facile dismissal.

But its okay for modern-day Christianity to tie its entire existence on an atrocity committed by some thousands of years ago. Yep I get it.

The fringes always reek of hatred and exclusion and autocracy in one form or other. But such perverted brush cannot paint the vast majority.

Ask a Buddhist sometime.

 

Are you really going to tie your argument to the number of followers of a particular religion?

I would imagine that most Muslims--and yes, most professing Christians, too--have never done a serious analysis of the religion--one steeped in critical thinking--but have simply "inherited" it.

And exactly what "atrocity" was (supposedly) committed "thousands of years ago," that gave birth to Christianity?

I Know, I know. You really cannot answer that one...

You are precisely correct.

Or was that intended as some sort of sardonic remark?

Are you a Buddhist?

Would you recommend Buddhism (or something similar to it) for all?

 

Can one be spiritual without being religious? Sure. Can one claim to be a billionaire without money? Sure....

One can "be" whatever one wants in their own little world but so what?

 

I believe you, but do not hold any belief in the supernatural.

What you describe is the usual OBE, which I think is brain generated and not otherworldly generated.

This link might help you understand your experience.



Your experience is not a telepathic experience which I think is required for a true apotheosis. I have claimed that and understand you when you say that most do not believe such anecdotal renderings.

Regards
DL

 

I would as it is a human based religion and not a supernatural God based brain dead religion.

They, like my own Gnostic Christianity and Karaite Jewry seek knowledge and wisdom and put man above God where we belong, given that we created all the known Gods.

Regards
DL

 

The supernatural God, for sure. I do not recall using the term strangle. I have said I have a bullet with his name on it.

As you can see from my statement, to define God as anything other than the best set of rules and laws is foolish.

Regards
DL