Capitalism Is Not The Most Efficient System Ever Devised By Man

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course the poor exist, and we agree that they have always been with us. The problem today is that 'poverty' is being determined not on what people actually have in order to makea decent life but on the idea that others have more. And so long as others have 'more' that means that poverty will never disappear, even if the ratio is 51/49. And of course the rich pay far more in taxes than the poor.

    I'm a business owner and in order to stay in business I need good people. In fact I compete for good people with other businesses. My employees do well because they allow me to do well also. We are working together in order to have a better life for all of us and any business which doesn't share this attitude will likely not remain in business very long. We need each other.

    People tend to get paid what they are worth. That's just a fact of life. If you can be replaced by the next person in line then you are probably lacking in the skills an employers needs, and employers are always on the search for good people. I doubt you have ever managed a business and are likely working more on theory than reality. Ive been fired from jobs and deserved it and have also earned whatever success I've enjoyed. It is up to the individual to win or lose and we have all seen that as we live our lives, right from kindergarten on up.
     
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    That simply isn't true at all. Poor people are poor, because they make bad choices educationally and financially their entire lives.
     
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    I was a successful manager,...now I'm a successful consultant, but I lack the talent for being a movie star. However, I do have the opportunity to become a movie star, if I would spend resources on that endeavor. Since I have no desire to be a movie star, I would be stupid to waste the resources attempting to be one.
     
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    You may theoretically have the opportunity to become a movie star but you could try your whole life and still not be able to become one, which equals to no opportunity in my opinion.
     
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    There are other opportunities available, and each individual must exploit their own talents.
     
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    Not at all. Capitalism is about economic discrimination. Any curve on a wealth graph will show disparity under any form of capitalism. Capitalism died in 1929 and socialism has been bailing out ever since.

    The rich are rich and getting richer due to trickle down economics, which bails out the wealthiest and then trickles down. That is through State Capitalism via public policy initiatives such as our artificial wars on the abstractions of crime, drugs, poverty, and terror. It takes plenty of capital to make a profit with large government contracts.

    It is why capitalists should merely get used to a natural rate of taxation if they want to keep their natural rate of unemployment.

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    the right prefers wage slavery and having to work for money instead of pursuing any natural talents even if they are not marketable.
     
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    Then your opinion is in error because there are a great many of them, and have been since shortly after movies began being made. There are many opportunities everywhere, many can see them, but because you don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist. It's not 'the system' that's at fault here.
     
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    There shouldn't be any need for this obvious truth to be mentioned and that it does suggests a lack of learning somewhere. Isn't there a parent or teacher somewhere who usually just points this out?
     
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    Do you feel you've suffered from this 'economic discrimination and if so, how so?
     
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    You talk as if everyone can become anything they desire, forgetting that many ppl nowadays have trouble finding a decent job because lack of avaiable jobs, let alone become famous people. I fail to see the equal opportunity there.
     
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    If you can't find a 'decent job' then get better training, further your education somehow, perhaps start a business. As has been pointed out numerous times foreigners have come with few skills at all, not even speaking the language, and have succeeded. And you can't? What do you really expect?
     
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    Ignoring that the number of avaiable jobs was much higher and the economy was growing, but now we are in a recession. There are just not enough jobs for everyone. The time of the land of opportunities may well be over...
     
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    Not so. The economy goes up and down but there are plenty of opportunities available, If you don't see them where you are then go somewhere where there are better prospects. That's not an uncommon response. Good well trained people can certainly make a living and are always in demand.
     
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    i can't always find a girlfriend in stock at a dollar store?
     
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    why do we have Any homeless at all, especially in right to work States, in the US?

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    what if we simply goad capitalists to raise wages until our economy grows and there is no natural rate of unemployment?

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    special pleading much? Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment means there would still be unemployment even if everyone was required to get a doctorate to get a job.
     
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    Not any more. Everyone is a Special Snow-Flake.
     
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    There are women who work and shop there, right? If meeting women is your real problem then changes in the economy aren't really going to help you much.
     
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    Probably poor planning. They should have bought when the housing market collapsed.
    Good idea. How would you do that?
    Because some people will not study, plan ahead, or work hard. Otherwise a doctorate would be available to them. Those who do not work hard and get training will live their lives below the middle class. You've noticed that, right?
     
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    i can always find women in a store, when i have a petty cash fund, for that purpose.
     
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    It will increase the wellness of employed people but unemployed ppl would remain such. For those unemployed, the state shoul provide jobs, and even a minimum wage for the unemployed like they do in northern europe.
     
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    what if, more people want to work due to higher wages? more people working means more people spending money and creating demand in our economy.
     
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    We need to cut down expenses like the military research and manufacturing, fight corruption and crime... then with the spared money we should create a decent welfare which will support unemployed people in this moment of recession.
     
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    what spared money? it costs more money to fight a war on crime than to simply regulate Commerce well.
     

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