Capitalism Vs. Socialism in the UK

I found 2 outsider parties both wanting different things, but what do you think?

 

It was absurd to defeat Hitler in the name of freedom and then to bring almost the entire economy under central control. No, the economy was under central control during the Second World War in order to defeat the Nazis. It was necessary to nationalise industries after the war to stop Britain from falling into bankruptcy.

Anyway, as always, the moderate centre is where reality exists.

 

You mean it was Nazi Germany's fault for making us fight a war and get into debt with America forcing us to nationalise things?

 

Capitalism sounds fine.
Socialism sounds like a load of people claiming to want to help me, but whose help I avoid like the plague.

The UK economy is 50% privately owned and 50% owned by the Queen.
We have a mix of socialism and capitalism here.

I am a big fan of broad churches.

All I want from any socialist agenda is liberalism.
The ability to opt out.

 

Industries were nationalised after World War Two because they were clapped out after 6 years of war and little maintenance.

 

No I don't mean that at all.

 

Of course Capitalism all the way!

Capitalism works, there is no Country in the history of the World where socialism has ever worked... They have tried it and it leads to dictatorships, oppression of the population and ultimately economic collapse.

 

In capitalism, you have the lower, middle, and upper classes. In socialism, you have only the lower class and the upper, or governing class. The governing class, politicians, etc. live like royalty. The lower class are merely pawns, temements, and pawns. If you doubt this. check out Venezuela or Cuba.

 

It's time for private people to deny the public the right to rob us.

Call it anarchy, call it unfair, call it what you will, but it's time.

 

You mean Germany haven't paid for ****ing over the course of 20th century history and the genetics of our species by determining what race gets to live and what race has to die?
You're right, I do think Germany are getting away with the pain and suffering and literal murder and genocide caused for a backwards culture riddled with autism and terrible music, but the question is, what can we do about it?

 

There should be some 'DON'T TOUCH MY ****' movement to get the public workers to work for the public.
It's our ****, we have concept of ownership, we should make the public servants treat us like royalty.

 

I do.

I find that if I flex a little, take my jacket off when talking to them, that their attitude changes dramatically.

I am a large animal. They will never respect me as a man. But I am more than a man. I am a beast.
And they fear me. This is good.

If we take Greece as our example, we can se that the smart money moved it's assets abroad and paid minimum taxes.
This movement is everywhere. Is normal behaviour.

It's an arms race of sorts. The more they seek to control, the more we change our patterns or behaviour to avoid them.
State vs individual. Oldest battle of them all.

 

Then you will love WSDEs.

Some research into what Prof. Wolff says will clear up what that's all about. Here is his most recent Economic Update. It gets good starting at about timestamp 31:30.

 

I sincerely believe the UK is more at risk to communism than countries like America because of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour.
I don't regard him as a threat, but I don't regard capitalism as a given.

It's a double edged sword...Communism, you have no rights.
Labour's not really taking rights away from workers in the name of production, in fact the opposite, Labour wants to cotton wrap the worker, give them more and have them work less. With this comes a re shaping of how we're taxed and how public money gets spent, so public money goes into private hands, like..
The public getting the power to rob through taxation then getting robbed through gross manipulation, while the public is left with unions disrupting things.

 

Communism? What country has achieved classless society and has seen their state machinery "wither away"?

 

I think different conditions in different countries require different formulations of socialism to address issues properly.

 

Socialism? Where is the ownership of the means of production by the working class in that? Don't you know what socialism is?

 

You think you know what socialism is, like most people do, but you don't. You know the propaganda you/we have been fed for 70 years.

 

We have a free trade economic system in the UK.
If Jeremy Corbyn became PM and had things his way, we'd have a command economic system in the UK, not a free trade one.

 

Unfortunately for socialists in this country, we are not that dumb. We've read Marx too.
Also we saw what happened to production when they did run it.
So we won't let them own the means of production. We prefer to kill them. For the greater good you understand. Progress and all.
I learnt socialism from Orwell and not Marx.


Socialism is an attempt by some people, to overthrow other people.

 

I'm personnaly for systems who work well. Some northern european country have well working economies despite having high taxes. I don't care of the system, I care if it work or doesn't work.

I stand for low debt and prosperous societies.

 

I absolutely agree that if a system works, use it.

If socialism works for you, do it.
If capitalism works for you do it.

I stand for free societies.
Do as you please.

And I don't feel prosperous until I'm in credit.

 

You should become a life coach, that's some inspirational way to take on life.

 

I don't do debt Rhet.

When I go broke I starve.
I find it highly motivational.

Get's me out of this chair.



So I'm working and I'm saving. And my savings are my stake money.
I don't borrow to invest, I save to invest. And I use my cash to buy bargains.

Hopefully my stake grows every day. So the cash investments I can make grow ever bigger. Ever easier to make profit from.
My opportunities grow.

I made a mint in the banking crash.
I lost a mint too.
But I made mint and here's how, in the credit crunch the one thing no one had is cash.
And me... I'd been saving up for the next credit crunch sine the last one.
I bought shares in Lehman Brothers !!!


In the credit crunch all the banks were for sale.
All the other banks wanted to buy them.

So Barclays wanted money to buy Lehmans for peanuts.
But no one can lend Barclays any money because it is a credit crunch. All the money in the world has already been lent.

Except mine.


Save money. This will occur again and again and again in your life time.
9/11 have some cash buy Airline stock. Hahahaha.

6 months later, stock price is back to normal. Free money.

Save cash money and opportunities will arise.

And they won't be crazy gambles, they will just be super obvious bargains at time when the other guy has run out of credit.

 

EVERY emerging proponent of fundamental economic change attempts to overthrow other people.

Anyway, you didn't answer any of my questions. You said you read Marx but you say you learned socialism from Orwell. I take that to mean that you don't know what Marx, the recognized source of socialist thinking, said/wrote. That may be why you didn't answer me.