Capitalism Vs. Socialism in the UK

It was relevant; However, you lack the authority to decide what's relevant and what's not, so you shouldn't expect people to satisfy you. You have to take what you get and if you question it, you kill the dialogue. Just be happy with what you've got, this is not up for debate, you asking for more is pointless.

 

See, when you ask me to make a relevant point, suggests I haven't, when I have.

 

That's why I can't take you serious.

 

It's like somebody on JSA asking for £52k salary for signing on, it's pointless.
For example, you asking for more relevance is the same kind of pointless to me, so quit posting always asking and suggesting we don't know.

 

Jones isn't far left. That would be like saying Farage is a new Colin Jordan.

 

Ken Livingstone/Jeremy Corbyn/Owen Jones...
Extreme UK left who like Venezuela.

I'm from London, I know how London is.
Red Ken was the mayor.
Done trades for oil to fuel TFL with Latin American dictators.

 

UK is not USSR, PRC or Cuba.
Jeremy Corbyn is wrong. Because Jeremy Corbyn thinks private is wrong.

Jeremy Corbyn wants a command economy in the wrong country.
Westminster doesn't need to run industries in a monopoly.

 

We have free trade and capitalism and The City is how we are.
We trade, globally.

 

The Scottish Government is doing well to put up the price of drink to these foreign nutters. Capitalism has regularly been failing the UK since at least the 1880's.

 

Crazy.

It's made us prosper since the 1980's and Nazi Germany attacking Poland forced UK to nationalise things, so we should send Berlin the bill. It was a German war that made us more socialist.

 

'Prosper' my money-grabbing arse! Capitalism is five generations beyond its burial date, as well you know, and is just being used to destroy the species.

 

Prosper...
Not corruption like Tony Blair and the NHS PFI Contracts scheme putting public money into private hands.

 

Corbyn'd grab more money if he could..
A national grab of industry that makes people he'd grab money from Shareholders in a command economy.

 

Money making isn't money grabbing, but taxation is. @Ned Lud

 

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Jones is far left.
He writes for the Guardian.

Basically he is into student union politics.

 

While it may be a conceit, it is founding principle of democracy that we are to be treated equally. As equals.
Not to respect that, not to offer that respect to another is anti-social.

Whatever your opportunities in life, you are still my equal. No matter how smart, strong or rich I am, I offer you political equality to me.
One man one vote.

 

Must be some sort of error of parallax. Jones - for me at least - isn't far left. That's the province of nutters. The Brit far left is a long way from Jones. Crumbs if you can't see that then you haven't seen the far left in operation. We're not talking Citizen Smith here.

 

Without economic equality of opportunity, the offer isn't worth much though is it?

 

All this Capitalist Vs Socialism argument means nothing so long as we have a fiat currency.

All these phoney arguments are built on sand. Until we return to a commodity based economy.

I could stand as a politician for election & promise you the earth set the money printing press running and pay for all my promises. But our children & grandchildren will try & fail to pay the price of our greed to-day. History teaches us that no fiat currency has ever survived, not one EVER in history. NOT ONE! So our future is very grim so long as we continue to borrow beyond our means and have a phoney currency as we have to-day.

A new way of thinking about how we run our Country is required, either we do this thinking now or we are forced to do it in the near future, either way it is coming.. it is coming! The worst kind of politician is those that promise/lie to you that our Country can heal itself from continued borrowing under this current economic model.

 

What's the definition of far left? Please apply appropriate political economic analysis.

 

Jones is a nutter.
Talks utter twaddle.
"Loony left". Writes for The Guardian.


Centre left is left wing that is commonly agreed with by the general populace.

For example, NHS is left wing and centrist. Centre left.


Far right, unregulated banking perhaps.
Used to be centrist, but public opinion has changed after the banking crash. Now it is far right.

So Farage is centrist on the EU, but far right on banking regulation.

Owen Jones is not centrist. He is far left on pretty much every political issue. He trades on it.

 

If you don't value equality, only money, then no. It's not. I guess.

Equal opportunity is not the same thing as equal ability.
If I offer you a cleaning job at £10, you have been offered an equal economic opportunity. If you feel too superior to take that opportunity, you are free not to take it. Because I respect you as an equal and not as a slave.
If you do not respect me as an equal you will try and enslave me. You will try and define to me what "Equality" is and force me to abide by your sensibilities over my own.
You will believe that your wishes are more important than my wishes. Your judgements supercede my judgements.

Judge me "selfish" and then ignore my wishes as being lesser than your own. And this is not equality, it is only tyranny.

And as little as this social equality is worth to you, it is worth my life to me, and also yours.
I'd rather starve than been enslaved.
No man is more equal than I am. Your definition of acceptable economic equality of opportunity does not outweigh my own in any way.


Your lust for money does not move me.
Economic opportunity is about as good as it gets in the world here. For all.
Respect that reality and you will have the correct attitude to prosper from this opportunity. Fail to, and it's your own inability that is holding you back.
Blaming others is the path to failure. Accepting responsibility for yourself is the path to self improvement.

 

/Agree

 

Who said it was? However, your position is based on accepting inequality of opportunity. Its 'three cheers for class, at least we don't have socialism'. You don't give a monkeys about equity, thus your make believe scenario about political equality being sufficient to skip through the meadows with flowers in your hair.