Capitalism Vs. Socialism in the UK

No two people agree on what equality of opportunity is. Let alone how to get it.
I will not bow to you.

If you are not able to accept that my vision of equal opportunity is as equally important as your own vision of equal opportunity, then I will treat you with equal disrespect and contempt instead.

I am either your equal or your superior. You choose.

Our social creed is " we are all equal". This how we live in peace with each other.
Your politics are not superior to mine. Your wishes, your ideals and your priorities...of no greater morality, sensibility or importance to anyone else's.
If you are unable to accept this, you have yet to become socialised.

 

You don't believe in equality of opportunity though do you? You're happy with class structure. You're happy that we don't have a meritocracy. Be honest!

 

Meritocracy = Guardian readers Utopia in which said reader is obviously very worthy of merit and other people not so worthy of merit.

Me, I'm not God. I can't measure another humans worth so easily.
Nor am I willing to trust any person who claims he can.

 

Overall, there is nothing coherent here. But I like to be charitable...

Interesting notion that the idea of meritocracy is only understood by a relatively small proportion of the British public. Isn't that what most right wingers rely on?

This is naive. Easy to measure, for example, underpayment: from discrimination to the negative impact of monopsonistic labour markets.

 

There you go with your big fancy words again.
Not the mark of someone who has lacked opportunity now, is it?

How charitable do you like to be? How much money have you donated to a food bank?
Oh yes, zero pounds.

Mreitocracy? We have one. Your worth to society is typically measured in the pay your labours earn you.
Trouble is, you don't agree with the valuation other people place on you or others

Guess what? None of us do.

Which is why we all get to decide for ourselves what we are willing to pay others for their services or the amount of charity we wish to give others and to whom.
Right wingers call this "the free market".

You are free to place whatever merit on others that you wish. Because these decisions are entirely subjective to each and every individual and no two of us will ever be able to agree on this issue. Hence socialised people place no expectation on others to do so. As this would be such a massive arrogance as to be insulting/condescending towards all other human beings.

So, put your money where your mouth is. That's all you have to do to make the world a better place.
Act with the conviction of your words and you will climb the social ladder.
Attempt to peck your way up by pecking others down, and you just get excluded. Moral superiority FTL.

 

Isn't the English language a chore?

This made me laugh. Working class people are supposed to have reduced language are they? Crikey!

Again with your assumptions. Making stuff up is dishonest isn't it?

Wrong again (and at least you're consistent). I don't define valuation. I personally have more sympathy with Marxist labour theory, but I of course acknowledge that the mainstream accepts the neoclassical school. But what does the neoclassical school conclude? By golly, they agree with the Marxists that underpayment is the norm. One man's underpayment, another man's exploitation.

I'm free to acknowledge inept comment. The free market is neither achievable or desirable. Anyone referring to it otherwise is celebrating bobbins.

This twins "I know you" with "supply side economics works". Crikey, you do like to be wrong don't you?

 

The free market is highly desirable.
Unfortunately the desire of one man to rule another makes it an impossibility.

Neoclassic school?
More mumbo jumbo mate.

Big empty words.

 

It has never existed (given government interventionism created capitalist markets). It wouldn't be desirable because of market failure (monopoly; monopsony; negative externalities; insufficient R&D)

Its called knowledge. Why is it that a lowly working class fellow like me seems to know more economics than you? We can't blame the government, nor the Sally Ann!

 

It's called talking bollocks.
The use of big meaningless words to try and convince others how much smarter than they you are, in order to get them to do what you want.
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The free market has never existed, but then nor has meritocracy.
Market forces are as close a measure of meritocracy as we are able to get.



If you went to university or have a professional job, you are not working class. Sorry.
Instead of speaking econobabble, try speaking in polish if working class is the look you are going for.


Marxist labout theory? ROFL if you don't place valuation on a person how can you tell if they are underpaid?
Answer, because you placed valuation on them. And the valuation you placed on them, surprise surprise has not been agreed with by another.
Which is no surprise as any economics student will tell you, valuation is subjective to the individual

 

I celebrate your first class honours!

This is anti-intellectualism. The idea that we should limit our use of the English language is weird to me. Are you insisting on it through class? You think you're a Norman and I'm a naughty Saxon using crass language?

Idiotic comparison. The free market is never desirable, a meritocracy obviously is.

Given neo-liberalism delivered extreme inequalities that even the IMF admits is harming economic activity, you have no excuse for not knowing about underpayment and the lack of social mobility.

I am working class. I'm sorry I don't fit with your petty expectations. I'm sorry I'm not ignorant so I don't buy your comments as more than empty platitudes. Two apologies. Its a two fingered sorry!

 

I limit my use of the English language to clear communication.
But also the choice of words you use, indicates your social class.

So when an intellectual discusses the horrors of unequal opportunity he gets dismissed out of hand because his use of language displays his privilidged background.
And hence with no clear experience of the subject matter he is discussing, he gets dismissed out of hand. Because experience trumps intellectualism every time.

You may aspire to be working class, but you aren't, you are just an intellectual attempting to assume an intellectual position.


My meritocracy is desirable to me. Your meritocracy is not. And vice versa.
Free market is desireable to all except would be tyrants. For whom it is highly undesirable as it takes the power to decide what is meritworthy out of their hands and places it in the hands of the individual.

 

I'm sure you'd love to get rid of the chains and go latin!

Tosh! I select words purely not to get banned on this particular forum. I would be much direct in the local pub, given the lack of quality of your comments (twinned with your internet warrioring)

This is a great summary of British class bias and how it innately supports a post-truth society. I bless you for being so open!

 

Polish is the language I am currently learning, Japanese is my preference. Neither are latin based.

Lol @ " a post truth society"
WTF are you babbling on about.

You are talking meaningless twaddle mate.
Learn to communicate.

 

Get a right winger to pat you on the back!

Summed you up with 'small words'. You should be glad!

That you're not aware of vocab is my fault? Golly gosh again!

 

House dad is German lemon meringue aeroplane.

The words have meaning but the sentence has none.

 

Well done. One of your best comments! Let's build on it

 

Britain's Jeremy Corbyn was the only MP to stand up for Putin today...
Of course, Jeremy Corbyn would love this;




Also, The Guardian's headlines seem to be rooting for the other team and not UK's interests, but siding with the EU against Trump, like anti Trump, Pro EU.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...altar-eu-britain-european-union-empire-brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/09/brexit-eu-democratic-britain
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...steel-trump-tips-global-trade-turmoil-tariffs
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/03/trump-escalates-trade-war-threat-tax-eu-cars
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/12/theresa-may-brexit-calais-business
... and so on; I've long suspected Labour and The Guardian don't put the public first but their own pockets.
Socialism sticks together and wants you to pay for it, and not by selling you anything neither, but by just taking the money to pay for it from you. - but then want more and more spending, so they want who to pay for it? You.
And how do they want you to pay for it?
By taking it from you, and where does the money go?
Into private pockets paid for by public services - Just look at the NHS.

 

Socialism? Where's the socialism?

 

Corbyn stated....у меня в руке кусок бумаги

 

How's neoliberalism working? Socialism promotes economic efficiency through equity. Jolly!

 

Capitalism Vs. Socialism = Burger King V McDonalds.

Slightly different varients of the same, basic, low grade sh!te consumed by conformist people.

 

Who told you to think that way? Socialism is represented by a diverse set of political economy (from anarchists to Christians). Capitalism is instead an economic paradigm.

Be an individual and at least work out the basics for yourself!

 

and what do they call Anarchists in Socialist Countries?

Political Prisoners

You may mock Capitalism, but Socialism doesn't have Anarchists, just 'Political Prisoners'.

 

You're not making sense, given anarchism is a form of socialism. There is some amusing aspects of it mind you. For example, the autonomists refer to the negative effect of globalisation (and how it's used to sideline labour power). Plenty of right wingers would love that stuff.

Mock? Capitalism isn't your slightly annoying cousin Trevor. I refer to the economic reality: capitalism inflames inefficient economic inequalities, guaranteeing that equality of opportunity is a myth. It's more like an evil stepmother

 

Just thinking about that...the opposite is the encouragement of automony and creativity. Equality and opportnuity are so some extent counterintuative.