Capitol riots aftermath – to heal a badly divided nation we must do this

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  1. XXJefferson#51

    XXJefferson#51 Banned

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    I won’t be hard to find since I live in one of the bluest states in America. Of course my city and county voted for Trump over Biden 2-1.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Individuals like me are always ignored by people who can't afford to realistically examine question their own position.
    Those like me shine light on things those people need to keep in the dark, and that always offends them.
    You aren't the first, won't be the last.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course, one has to either use several pairs of fact filtering lenses to believe that, or simply discard all integrity and go with delusion. The real records of Trump's accomplishment leave you no other options.

    However, you will now have to do a lot more- because Biden is going to sell you out. He's already made the deals with the devil to get in, and the people will be paying the price for it.
    Re-visit your thoughts in say 6 months or a year, and tell us how it's working out for you.
     
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    So you will work towards peace as long as you are getting your way but over the next four years you will not...

    So yeh, my original position holds true. You only want peace of everyone is obeying the right wing narrative
     
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    He needs to CONCEDE! Immediately. Once he has done that, congratulated Biden, and shown up to the inauguration to cheer Biden on, we can talk. Otherwise, it is all hollow words to save his behind.
     
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    The healing starts on Jan 20, 2021 at 12:00:01.

    Have you accepted that trump lost fair and square?
     
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    Got it now.

    No real call for unity. Only if you do as I say and forget Jan 6, 2021 even happened. LOL.

    You ended your own thread.
     
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    Ok, well at least you appear to have the right idea
     
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    His is not the behind that is at risk. That's yet to come, and I'm afraid it may get very nasty. What's more- you are not going to like what they do to you. Wait and see-the immorality that got them in isn't going to disappear, it's going to get worse. I don't think you hate your country- but many in power now do.
     
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    Trumps problem lies in the fact that he can’t let go. It sucks to lose, but losing graciously is important to leave some legacy. Trump was obviously surprised when he won the first time around - he should have been happy with the fact that he managed to become the US president at least once - something that is already quite an achievement for anyone. Generally, election fraud claims come from losing opposition, not sitting president who had access to CIA, FBI, and other resources capable to intercept large scale operations.
    Once the last court made its ruling he should have conceded and congratulated Biden. Even if there was real fraud somewhere - Trump should understand that his further denial makes him look foolish in front of the fact that court after court found no major violations.
    Whether rightfully or not, sometimes you must just let go.
     
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    You are on the wrong side of history. Trump's weak speech on Jan 6th, to reign in his supporters, was exactly to save his behind. If he hadn't given it, he'd probably already been removed by the 25th. He is walking on VERY thin ice right now. Any more incitement of his supporters for more violence, say on Jan 17th or 20th, and impeachment might feel like a walk in the park for him.
     
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    Way too late. The divide will deepen. Nobody who is disrepected wants to "come together" with those who disrespect them.
     
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    If somebody supports and defends those storming the capitol, is it a wonder they are disrespected? If they support and defend Trump's attempt at stealing the election, is it a wonder they are disrespected? They need to look in the mirror and do some introspection, instead of pointing fingers.
     
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    Who of any import has defended the violence?

    They believe he was trying to turn around the stealing of the election by the democrats. Certainly I didn't have to tell you that. The reason you disrespect them is that they disagree with you. Think about it.
     
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    tRUMP is a 1st class narcissist. Admission to losing or lying or any other normal human flaw, is an impossibility.
     
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    Everyone who contested the EC votes after the riots took place. When there has never ever been a shred of evidence of frauded election that could change any results.
     
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    Benefited ? How ? There are 340,000 Americans dead from the "benefits" of Dirty Donnie. There was an insurrection created by DD and his cronies. What "benefit" ?
    There is a generation of Americans who have been conned into repeating lies by a sociopath to perpetuate his personal power.

    It can't possibly be as ugly, racist, bigoted and corrupt as Dirty Donnie's four year dumpster fire.
     
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    Appears you have bought every load of crap CNN and friends have ever put out, obviously never questioning anything.

    Watch what happens next, and down the line remember what you say today.
    The old expression, "What was I thinking??" will seem the obvious question then.
    That, followed by "Will Trump run again? Where can we find someone like him if he doesn't?"

    Don't take my word for it. Your new leadership will do that job for ya.
     
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    First, I HAVE been watching what's been happening. I've known Dirty Donnie's history going back to when he tag teamed with Mayor KrOtCH to launch his
    career in real estate and crime. For the past 5 years I've been saying what a disaster a Dirty Donnie administration would be, and Lo and Behold it came to pass.

    Second, I have no illusions about Biden. It just so happens that Vanilla Joe is necessary at this point in time. If he does nothing but calm the waters, it will be worth it.

    Third, the bhutt-hurt and Big Liars have to be marginalized. This republic had a major test this past week. Luckily the attackers were incompetent and ignorant. If
    a truly skilled and intelligent individual or group of individuals had attempted this coup, this country might well have fallen.


    Think for a moment about this scenario playing out where Dirty Donnie and his crowd had succeeded and overturned the election results.
    If you don't think overturning certified election results is a worst case disaster, then you're not an American.
     
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    How can there ever be unity if each side views the other as the enemy of democracy? Which side should concede to find that unity?
     
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    If Trump supporters were serious about unity, they'd be helping to shut down the fringe conspiracy theories, spread by Trump himself, that have completely conquered the GOP and have caused even the non-violent ones to support shredding the Constitution and overturning the election.

    Trump is as anti-unity as you can get.
     
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    I'm glad you are willing to entertain, temporarily, the position you claim to be promoting in the OP.
     
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    In that case, the first step is to cut off the head: Dirty Donnie must be neutralized, ugly, as an example.

    The majority of his followers should be treated as victims of a crime: they were conned and need to be invited back into the fold. They are still Americans and should be treated as such. The truly evil ones (pipe bomb, molotov cocktail types) should be pursued by our Justice system.
     
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    I'd be 100% on board with that. Holding Donald accountable, publicly criticizing him, and holding him to task in court would be the perfect first step toward unity, for anyone serious about unity.
     
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    I'm tired of debating the evidence question but I will ask why contesting the election results and defending rioting are the same thing. That makes sense to nobody.
     

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