Carbon tax...good or bad?

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  1. iamanonman

    iamanonman Well-Known Member

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    Gotcha...the Berkeley Earth guy. I wish I could read his book, but it's going for over $100 on Amazon.
     
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    When the models wildly over predict but show a zero effect of a carbon tax that is definitely meaningful. What namecalling ?? You are alarmed by global warming and Zinn's quote is accurate. BTW Norway imposed a carbon tax of ~ $20 per ton of CO2 in the early 90's which has not worked.

    No interest in any books to read ??

    Here is something to play around with:

    https://www.cato.org/carbon-tax-temperature-savings-calculator
     
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    It's sad that otherwise intelligent people like yourself can be so easily taken in by hucksters with letters.

    It wouldn't matter one way or the other except that you are being enlisted to work on behalf of empowering the elites to control our lives.

    An excuse to ration, control our thermostats, control our freedom of movement, control our right to procreate, control our consumption - control our lives!!

    It is a leftist wetdream to wave a magic wand of control over the masses... "Climate Change" is one of the vehicles they're using to gain that control.

    For the uninitiated, it's a dogooder cause; but, for those of us who have been fighting the left, and the powerful monied interests who steer them, it is a centuries long battle of good vs evil; of freedom fighters vs our would be rulers.

    I know you think you are trying to do what is right and prudent; but in reality, you are being deceived. You really are working on behalf of a powerful oligarchy that views the people as nothing more than serfs.
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No i am not alarmed
    I will be dead before it becomes a significant issue.

    If it is true that i am not alarmed, then you should question the basis on which you determine facts.
     
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    You aren't an alarmist ?? Too funny. You are advocating for a carbon tax that will do nothing but compromise the ability to adapt to any local adverse affects of global warming and you claim to not be an alarmist ?? You do not realize the benefits of global warming and claim to not be an alarmist ?? Come'on man.

    I determine facts by reading books. You aren't interested in any books or in the calculator based on the same model the IPCC uses ?? You aren't interested in the Norwegian carbon tax failure ?? Really ??
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please consider the following

    Exxon Mobil, other oil companies and a number of other corporate giants announced on Tuesday that they are supporting a plan to tax carbon emissions that was put forth this year by a group of Republican elder statesmen.

    The group, the Climate Leadership Council, unveiled a “conservative climate solution” in February that would fight global warming by taxing greenhouse gas emissions and returning the money to taxpayers as a “climate dividend.” The underlying idea is that, by making energy derived from fossil fuels more expensive, the free market will move more quickly and effectively toward renewable energy and other low-carbon solutions.
    Are these examples of alarmists? As you say... “come on man”.
    Perhaps it is YOU who is the alarmist
     
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    What’s the source for that BS ?? What is proposed to be eliminated in conjunction with this carbon tax ?? The statement that by corrupting the free market will function better is absurd. How much is the carbon tax ?? What will be the affect on the global warming average temperature in 2100 ?? Why didn’t you ask yourself these questions before posting this ??
     
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    http://clcouncil.org/media/2017/03/The-Conservative-Case-for-Carbon-Dividends.pdf

    You might well think so
    But i was responding to your claim that my supporting a carbon tax must necessarily make me an alarmist. My response was to provide illustrations of non alarmists (conservatives) who have similar views as mine

    Read the article
    http://clcouncil.org/media/2017/03/The-Conservative-Case-for-Carbon-Dividends.pdf
    Interesting question
    I dont know the answer.
    But it will have “ some” impact.
    Probably other measures are also required
    Because i wanted to allow you to ask them
     
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    They don't have similar views to yours.


    A $40 per ton carbon tax starting point is politically impossible and ineffective at reducing CO2 emissions globally. There as is the case for all proposals like this does not even attempt to show the national (or global) reduction in CO2 emissions, the economic cost in terms of gdp reduction and consequent loss of jobs, and most importantly the reduction in the rate of global average temperature increase. This proposal is going nowhere.
     
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    what about my views makes me an alarmist as compared to their views which apparently are non alarmist?

     
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    Read the pdf.
     

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