Why on earth would labor spend all this money to bring in the tax KNOWING full well that they are going to LOSE the next election and have the tax repealed? Yet more proof that labor/greens are totally off the planet and need to go.
That is an interesting question, but of course it would depend on the balance of power after the next election. The Libs may not have the numbers to do it. Or they may change their minds. Three years is a while away and we don't know what will change. The Libs right now seem to be banking on the notion we're (people) a lot like the USA ('small government' tea party'ers). It's getting traction atm, in part thanks to some favourable media (News Limited and shock jocks). Further to that, repealing it rather than evolving it to an ETS* seems like a crazy idea. Imagine a 3 year carbon tax, followed by nothing, then an ETS in another 2 years. * If i ever mention an ETS, it is not because i am a proponent of it. Trust me, the Libs will favour an ETS sooner or later - my bet is within one term of being in government.
Both sides of politics are addicted to big government and big taxes. We need to reduce their power by putting in more independent and minor party mp's. The Lib/Nat's will bring in an ETS because it is more tax and more control for them. They will take it to an election (unlike Labor) but they will take it to an election where there is no real alternative to them as a government. John Howard did it with his GST, we had no real choice but to vote for it because there was no viable alternative at the time to a LIb/Nat government. Once it is in, Labor will get rid of it the same way they got rid of the GST...
All the world will be taxed on Co2 no matter which party is in. Labor or Liberal it doesn't make a difference, all our politicians are in the same stables getting feed the same hay. Whether we like it or not the agenda is to pass a carbon tax on all peoples on the Earth. The biggest question for me is who's going to be farming and distributing the carbon credits?????
That isn't correct. 1. We are a moderate taxer (http://www.politicalforum.com/austr...article-australias-version-welfare-state.html) 2. We've actually reduced the number of public servants per capita compared to the mid-80s (though that may still be too many for some). An ETS doesn't have near enough government control. It's by the finance market for the finance market. Good point re the GST - even if Labor got in - would they really have repealed it? I doubt it. But will the Libs repeal it should they get in? hmmm.. The way out of it is to change the leader (which isn't so unlikely and may even be the plan - if they were that organised and not so egotistical).
That's the old furphy of 'we're good because someone else is worse'. We are HEAVILY taxed in Australia, end of story. Playing with stats now, resorting to the old 'per capita' picture. Fact is, we have far too many government employees shuffling paper and/or engaged in unproductive activities that have no measurable result. Government has total control, they issue and cancel the credits. But yep, it's all about money, nothing to do with pollution reduction.
of course it would be, it is horrid idea to repeal good policy transitioning the economy from coal and petrol to renewable energies thus when peak oil and coal comes around we don't need it to grow http://on.fb.me/ipVbk8 What are the other crazy ideas of Abbott He will cut $70 billion worth of public sector jobs AND services He will give money to Corporations; costing us $1350 not $340 for climate action He will rip money out of health like the $2.2 billion he cut under Howard Work choices work choices work choices He supports publicly paid for School Chaplins in schools breaking the church-state divide He will never support gay marriage He will cut the NBN and go back to dialup speed His refugee policy - shipping people to Nauru - out of site out of mind Abbott WILL increase funding for private schools
Peak coal might be but peak oil is just around the corner - unless we passed it already which is a distinct possibility
Right! So we should be transitioning to ethanol, biodiesel and LNG for our vehicles. Other countries have done it and are doing it but Dullard stamped on that idea for Australia by increasing taxes on all these clean renewables. She has exempted petrol and diesel from her carbon tax but I bet it will apply to the renewables!
I am not looking this up - but my guess is that oil would be far cleaner emissions-wise than coal. I am happy to be corrected on that Not much of question though really - the oil is almost gone. Still heaps of coal. Gas is certainly far cleaner than coal. (not that gas is a very good option either - mainly because of fugitive emissions during mining - methane is far worse in that atmosphere in the short-term than CO2 - better to burn methane than let it escape as it is)
I agree Gillard is clueless. But we should be transitioning to electricity for our vehicles. Not different fossil fuels.
Ethanol and biodiesel are not fossil fuels. LNG can be but it can also be readily produced from biomass. Another very good renewable is the sap from diesel trees. Governments should be subsidising the planting of huge plantations. Electric cars have their limits, OK around the towns and cities but they would have to improve considerably before they would be practible in country areas and you can't run heavy machinery like excavators, tractors and bulldozers with electricity.
The cost toAustralia in terms of lost jobs, decreasing investment by industry, and the resulting downturn in the economy as a whole of having the carbon tax will be far higher than even $27 billion. We're far better off without it.
Oh, the depth of practicality of alarmist is shallow at best! >>>>> NEWS HEADLINES . Australian Supermarkets will no longer have Australian grown fruit and vegetables on the shelf. Asked for a reason why a BIG S spokesperson stated that since PM Bugalugs idea of transitioning transport to electricity the cost of transporting goods has risen 500%. They added that the cost was becoming incidental, considering travels times from properties to market ensures that most produce is rotten before it arrives and trucks can no longer run the engine and refrigeration. Asked for comment PM Bugalugs was unavailable, instead embattled OZ saves the world form AGW Minister Tim BIG GREEN Flannery faced the cameras. In an all to familiar display Mr Flannery shouted the sky is falling, the sky is falling and ran away to hide in his water front home. OAP
Australias place as a top tourism destination has taken a blow under PM Bugalugs Moving vehicles to electricity policy. Asked for a comment, US Visitor, Ima Yank, stated that whilst it was a beautiful country, her electric car restricted their travel to 50kms from the Melbourne CBD. Asked for comment PM Bugalugs was unavailable. Newly sacked minister Tim BIG GREEN Flannery was asked to comment, however it seems Mr Flannery has lost the plot. He was found at his water side abode throwing pails of water at his house shouting I told you so here comes the water. On a side note PM Bugalugs has missed an important G500 meeting in Jokenhagen as the PM would only fly battery powered. Deputy PM Bob Red Brown was seen attaching a rubber band and propeller to the PM, and although the PM looked dubious, BB Bob insists the journey would be fine, plus it would help save the world. In other news unemployment in Australia has hit 30%, the manufacturing industry is gone forever and we import all renewable energy infrastructure from the China. The OZ$ is buying 0.000001 Juan. OAP
