Cassidy Hutchinson. A true American hero

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  1. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did not use the comparison to "justify why Trump is sincerely under the belief..." as you state. I used the comparison to point out that just like Gore in 2000, he was attempting to use legal maneuvering to win the Presidency, with the larger point being that attempting legal maneuvering is not a crime. Countless if not most legal maneuvers are ultimately unsuccessful in the world of politics.

    Your point did not "debunk" the comparison. Yes you pointed out several differences, and in truth, I could point out a hundred more but all of those differences are meaningless including the ones you pointed out. What is relevant is that both men tried legal maneuvering to win the Presidency, and doing so in no way shape, or form constitutes a crime or an attempt to be a dictator as others have asserted.

    You seem to be under the mistaken belief that if you can show a difference that therefore an analogy is not valid, but that is simply not true. An analogy is defined by what makes two things similar, NOT what makes them different. If two things were exactly alike, I am not sure they would even be an analogy. They would be an exact match, but I digress.

    At any rate, if you honestly believe that pointing out differences "debunks" the point that both Gore and Trump tried legal maneuvering, and that doing so is not a crime, you are simply mistaken.


    There are countless ways that a person could use to try to justify that Biden (or any President for that matter) envies dictators.

    His incessant use of executive orders to circumvent the legislative process, his Justice department going after his political enemies, his vaccine mandates,,blah, blah, blah. Dont get me wrong, I dont play those silly name-calling games. I am just demonstrating that if one wants to use hyperbole to attack the other side, you can call any President a dictator. Such a declaration is about as valid as calling the opposition Hitler. It is silly. Childish even. I dont personally play that game, but it appears that you do. I am sure that any President on some level would envy the position of not having to clear their desires with a legislature first, just like any Sales Manager would love to not have to clear their expense reports with accounting. Who cares? That type of assertion is truly meaningless. On some level, everyone wants their life to be easier, so to take that to mean that you envy them is nonsensical.

    Your assertion is undeniably ARBITRARY and without actual merit.
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah he cares about the law so much that he was willing to break every law imaginable to try to remain President according to his own attorney who isn't me. Delusional much?
     
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    Her testimony was false. Lots of folks will testify to that. She reminds me of the Blasey Ford woman who also lied, repeatedly, to the Senate. There are plenty of other examples should you need one or two, or more.
     
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    You mean Hearsay? That is the legal term. Why couldn't you reference it?
     
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    Sure. We'll go with that.
     
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    her testimony concurs with the testimony of these guys

    Rusty Bowers
    Brad Raffensperger
    Gabriel Sterling
    Ryan Goodman
    Jeffery Clark
    Eric Herschmann
    Richard Donoghue
    Steven Engel

    I guess since she is the only woman in the above sausage fest she must be lying!! .. lol
     
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    LOL.. FFS NBC has sources that she lied. And suddenly you're unaware? Laughable.
     
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    Nice assertion. You have no substantive evidence that her testimony could be corroborated by any of those people. Swing, and your out.
     
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    ...Which takes us full circle back to where this started.

    Trying to enact a legal maneuver in an attempt to win the Presidency, in and of itself, and even if it ultimately fails, is NOT a crime. It was not a crime when Gore attempted to do it it in 2000, and it was not a crime when Trump attempted it in 2020. Trump and Gore knew as well as anyone that their tactic would only work if it were to ultimately pass legal muster. They were not breaking the law, rather they were trying to manipulate the law to their advantage. Whether their legal assertion ultimately prevailed does not determine the legality of asserting that legal position.

    This reality does NOT equate to a delusion. Sorry if that offends you.
     
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    Let me know when THEY ACTUALLY TESTIFY.
     
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    yeah two choices a crooked old career politician whose family had been selling access to him for forty years and branched out into foreign countries under Obama. And Trump under whose policies almost every demographic group in the country
    had seen an improvement in their
    lives until he let Fauci convince him to shut down the economy for two years.
     
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    Are you that willfully dense? The guy tried multiple ILLEGAL maneuvers in an attempt to STEAL the Presidency even according to his own attorney not A "legal maneuver". There is only ONE LEGAL way to get another term as President, it's to win an election. There is NO other way. And your demented hero knows that otherwise he would not be attempting every illegal machination under the sun.

    YOUR reality is in fact 100% delusional. You are making up horse caca. Sorry if that offends you.
     
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    The discussion in which you inserted yourself was in regards to someone asserting that Trump tried to make himself a dictator when he tried to have Pence decertify the results thus triggering a delay that he hoped would lead to further investigation and ultimately an alternative means of determining what he alleged was a stolen election. That is the sole legal maneuver that was being discussed and what was being compared to Gore trying to flip electors in the electoral college.

    I think it is cute how you are trying to filibuster with undoubtedly countless allegations being made by the hyperpartisan and ridiculously arranged house committee inestigation that could never be fleshed out in a short conversation such as this. But is it your position that making the SINGULAR assertion that Pence had the legal right to decertify the election ( that is actually the topic of this conversation) was somehow illegal?

    (It would be nice if you made an attempt to stick to the actual subject)




    What exactly have I made up?
     
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    She does need someone to bang her good and hard. Might help her not be so damn pissy all the time. Hell, I may be able to even bang the stupid out of her.
     
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    Monkey see. monkey do. Just like your demented hero, you post anything, regardless of how demonstrably false to try to support your arguments. You learn well from your master. I'm guessing you didn't try his disinfectant therapy though because you're still posting here.

    This is exactly what you were responding to:

    First none of the above is legal by any stretch but there are 4 items listed above (minus "the tip of the iceberg"), not just the "sole" one you're trying to claim. Your response in part (what I quoted):

    Note the key word (Everything). The above is utter nonsense anyway even if that was the "sole legal maneuver". Trump KNEW that Pence had no authority to decertify the results of the election. He was told that by Pence himself as well as others. His admission that he knew Pence had no authority is implied explicitly in his own words:

    "But wouldn't it almost be cool to have that power?"
    - Trump

    See above, it's not just MY position, it's just about everyone's position including Trump himself that it is illegal. His sycophants/accomplices lined up for Presidential pardons because they took part in that criminal conspiracy, a virtual admission of guilt. And I was not referring to just that, I was referring to YOUR EVERYTHING that Trump did to try to STEAL the election was ILLEGAL and that HE KNEW it was ILLEGAL.

    The question should be what didn't you make up? Who do you think you're fooling?

    I usually try to stay out of discussing anything Trump with Trump worshipers because it's an exercise in futility but unfortunately I didn't control myself this time on your delusional claim.
     
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    Hutchinson should be charged with perjury. She is yet another embarrassment in the Jan 6 sham committee.
     
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    I agree..charge her with perjury..

    and when she is found not guilty then what she says will be enough to charge trump with many crimes

    trumps biggest crime is trying to steal the election...LOCK HIM UP!!
     
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    When she is actually cross-examined in a court and found out to be lying to Congress, then she shouls be punished.
     
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    I mean, if you're offering...
     
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    lol

    I did not need to ask for a pardon
     
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