CBO Scores Trumpcare II

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  1. Lesh

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    And it's not good

    Twenty-three million fewer Americans would have insurance under legislation that House Republicans narrowly passed last month, the Congressional Budget Office reported on Wednesday.

    The agency also predicted the deficit would come down by $119 billion over the next decade ― and that premiums for people buying insurance on their own would be relatively lower than those premiums would be if the Affordable Care Act stays in place.

    But the reasons health insurance would be less expensive for some aren’t much to cheer about, the budget report makes clear. Prices would come down for healthy people because those who are sick or have illness in their medical histories would have less access to coverage ― and the policies available on the market would tend to be a lot less comprehensive.

    In other words, the price for lower premiums would be some combination of higher out-of-pocket costs, fewer covered services, and coverage that would be harder to get for the people who need it most.
     
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    The CBO scoring also showed that premiums for older sicker people would Skyrocket
     
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    Almost double...and pre-existing conditions will now be covered at the whim of each state
     
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    Thankfully this current version of Trumpcare is going nowhere. It's a good thing it's not going to go forward, the death rate would likely increase with people likely dying before their time.....

    This has to be the most cruel bunch of people I've ever seen in charge of a US government, just unbelievable cruelty shown with health care and the buffoon's budget proposal. These people, Mick Mulvaney in particular, make 'pre ghost visit' Scrooge look like a wonderful guy........
     
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    There's no way the Republican Senators will pass this.
     
  6. Texas Republican

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    The federal government never estimates costs correctly. They've been making huge errors all the way back to drastically underestimating the cost for Medicare back in 1965. The CBO means nothing.

    The emphasis with this plan is getting medical care to people. Obama's plan involved getting people "coverage" with $10,000 deductibles .... that's coverage no one could ever use.
     
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    All advanced democracies manage to cover all their citizens at about half the cost of the US.

    Maybe mass deportation is the answer!
     
  8. Texas Republican

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    Here we have three problems:

    1) The existence of trial lawyers (major donors to the Democratic Party) lead to high malpractice premiums.
    2) Medical providers stick it to the insurance companies (MRI's in Japan are $400, but they're much, much more in the U.S.)
    3) Government often mandates "full coverage" for everyone, which is expensive. Young people don't need geriatric care and old gays don't want coverage for artificial insemination. Some people don't want coverage for chiropractic or acupuncture treatment.
     
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    Yeah this doesn't stand a chance of getting passed at it's current state. But if it did, people would be even more outraged. I really think a public option is all but inevitable at this point.
     
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    God help us if that's true.
     
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    I said this before, I think everything dealing with healthcare should be put on hold for the rest of the year. No repeal and replace, no nothing. Let's see if the doom and gloom, the dire consequences of the ACA actually happen next year as some articles I read says they will. According to them, Knoxville and the surrounding 15 counties will have no health insurance companies to offer insurance in the ACA or via the ACA. Another one stated Iowa, the whole state will be without any health insurance company whatsoever unless a different insurance company comes into the ACA in Iowa to replace the lone company that is pulling out at the end of the year.

    Another one states there will be nine states with but one insurance company left in the ACA beginning next year. That's not a choice, that is a take it or leave situation for anyone getting insurance through the ACA next year. There are four more states that will be down to just two insurance companies participating in the ACA.

    All the above are announced intentions of the insurance companies and predictions for next year. But predictions don't always come true, just ask Hillary Clinton. I think it best just to wait and take stock at the beginning of the year. As of today, the majority of Americans are against repeal and replace. I think Washington, the Republicans in Washington ought to listen to the people.

    If the above happens, then the majority of the people may want something else other than the ACA. At least those affected by either no or one insurance company. By next year we should also have a forecast for 2019 if any more insurance companies plan on leaving the ACA.

    The bottom line is if the majority of Americans want the ACA, leave it be. Leave it be until and if they, the majority of Americans want it replaced. Listen to what America wants for a change.
     
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    No there is really only one problem--the government doesn't own most the medical facilities people go to in the US. Trying to impose essentially a non-profit system onto a for-profit infrastructure will never work. The only way we will have anything close to what the other countries have will cost trillions of dollars beyond the first dime in operating costs. Obamacare essentially tried to impose a non-profit system on an industry that is a for profit industry that relies on other for profit industries. There is simply no way to short-cut or cheapskate our way around it.
     
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    Never underestimate the ability of the GOP to do the despicable.
    I am sure that to many of the greedy, it isn't draconian enough.
     
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    I'll change my post. I hope to hell there's no way the Republican Senators will pass this. I don't think they will. They like their jobs too much.
     
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    A universal coverage, single-payer system is the repeatedly-confirmed pragmatic paradigm, but some are so ideologically dogmatic they cannot accept the obvious.

    Maximize the risk pool, eliminate the multiple duplications of middle-man profit margins, the astronomical executive compensations, marketing and advertising budgets, other repeatedly replicated administrative overhead expenses, political lobbying costs. Advantage economy of scale.

    We have as examples extant systems that achieve what the US should be able to. There is no need for airy-fairy nostrums that are ideologically "pc."
     
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    As long as the Republicans don't screw with the funding. Because by doing that they create the kind of uncertainty that causes insurers to pull out of states
     
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    Actually the CBO does a better job of getting it right than you would like to pretend
     
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    What ever happened to Trump's promise of great healthcare for every citizen? Turns out he is going to gut healthcare to pay for tax cuts for the rich. Are y'all feeling like suckers yet?

    Now I don't actually think he will gut Medicare and Social Security in his first term as long as he thinks he has a chance to get reelected and still needs old folks votes. But should he for some unfathomable reason ( stupidity of the American electorate perhaps) get a second term those will surely be on the block to fund even bigger tax cuts. After all he will have nothing to lose and money to gain.
     
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    No. I've always had medical care and I always will. So does every other American.
     
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    Did you miss " great" and Probably should have included affordable.
     
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    This bill has been written and passed the House. If the Senate passes it Trump will sign it and we're screwed
     
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    I pay $250/month for my health insurance covering family. It's affordable. My company pays the rest.

    And I don't get any subsidies from other taxpayers!
     
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    Yea but YOU don't have to go to the ER to get yours.
     
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    And we are supposed to trust the CBO why? A terrible record?
     
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    What happens if you get laid off?

    What happens if you get sick and can't work.

    Uhoh
     

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