CBS: Guns are responsible for nearly ¾ of the killings of transgender people since 2017, data shows

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    Darwinism is universal. There are no exceptions in the animal kingdom.
     
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    And humans are at their core animals, they only become humans where they respect the natural rights of other humans. Absent of that they remain animals and need to be treated as such.
     
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    That happens quite a bit here. With the amplitude of sound and the huge vibration hurtling at them these have to be people with strong, made-up minds, totally unwavering.
     
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    Unfortunately being suicidal losers and only caring about themselves, they screw up the lives of the crew operating the train by having the crew kill them with the locomotive, the same applies to suicidal idiots who use law enforcement officers to take them out as well.
     
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    So for centuries before guns, it was hard to commit crimes or suicide on impulse? Well, that’s the procession of technology... keeps making things easier.
     
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    That's too bad. The engineer should realize that steel is still tougher than meat, and that he/she had nothing at all to do with it. Too bad the rules even make them slow down.

    It's harder for LE. There's half the country in a war against LE.
     
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    How is this unfortunate?
     
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    True, but if you're committed, you're committed.
     
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    Well, mostly a single projectile can kill a single person--not everybody in line with the bullet. The reason we have the right to keep and bear arms is so that we can kill in self defense. The problem is that anything used in self defense can also be used in offense. It's impossible to have one without the other.
     
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    There are a multitude of ways to do both.

    The idea that society must protect people from themselves is a very sad statement. It is not the basis that this country was founded on, and the deity of your choice willing, this country will continue to function of on individual freedom.
     
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    People under 18 must be protected from themselves according to US Laws. In my opinion, people with Severe Mental Disability must also be protected from themselves.
     
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    Parents or guardians are responsible to 'protect' the minors they are responsible for. Not me or anyone else.
     
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    Sadly in USA, most adults with Mental Disability are not cared for by anyone. In Scandinavia and Canada, the State cares for them.
     
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    If they are, that is by their choice, in the U.S. there are numerous services offered by many agencies some government some NGO's and the majority of those services are offered for no charge. Unfortunately many of those with mental disabilities refuse to seek help, and many of those who do fail to follow the guidance provided or remain in the proper programs to bring them closer to living a normal life.

    And thanks to organizations such as the ACLU, many of those with mental illness's who are a danger to themselves or others cannot be institutionalized against their will until they have committed a criminal act or attempted suicide.
     
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    Because it simply does not have the necessary resources to do such.

    What relevance does such have when the united states is not the country of Scandinavia or Canada?
     
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    Actually we do, the problem is those with mental health problems do not seek out the various services offered, services which are commonly offered for no charge. The excuses are many, but the most common ones are those with mental health problems refuse to follow the rules if you will, simple rules such as staying sober and drug free, and staying in the programs offered, which requires office visits or attending meetings.

    And unlike many other countries where those with mental health problems can be court ordered into programs, in the U.S. that cannot happen until the person with the problem(s) commits a crime and or tried to commit suicide.

    This is a subject that is near and dear to me as I have had a number of personal interactions with both mentally ill people and the services offered to them, and the problems or should I say the roadblocks to treating those with mental health problems when the person with the problem doesn't want any help but needs it dearly.
     
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    We've been over this before.

    Yes, there are any number of programs both public and private that assist with mental and physical disabilities. I don't know who is telling you otherwise, but they are not being truthful.
     
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    Why aren't you caring for them?
     
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    The transgender community has extremely high suicide rates (they actually rise after "gender reassignment surgery"), as well as drug use and prostitution.
     
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    When one is a male, who can no longer operate properly and can only receive, that's not too surprising at all.
     
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    I know this is a bit of an old thread but, hey, it's on the front page for this forum so I hope I don't get flamed for raising the dead.

    It's interesting idea, that three-fourths of all transgender murders are committed with guns. Guess how what percentage of all murders are committed with guns? 67%. Hardly a difference.

    On Tucker Carlson's show last week he analyzed Elizabeth Warren's claim of a transgender murder epidemic. When you look at the numbers, transgenders are murdered at a rate lower than the population as a whole. Don't take this wrong. Murdering anyone, transgender or otherwise, is a terrible thing, not acceptable to me or any civilized person, but to claim a targeted epidemic or that they're targeted more with guns is not supported by the numbers.
     
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    How can you say that suicide is impulsive? Oh, sure, some are. Some people swallow a bunch of pills because they're there. Some people swerve cars into oncoming traffic. Some people use a gun.

    But for most, including those who shoot themselves, they make great preparations. I have had two close family members commit suicide over the past 40 years. Both made very elaborate preparations. Neither used a gun but even those who use a gun make elaborate preparations. They leave notes, they go to the trouble of getting the guns. They go to the gun store, buy a gun, fill out paperwork for the FBI and BATFE. They go to the location where they're going to kill themselves, home or otherwise.

    If the gun was already in the house, they wait until they're home alone. They probably practice, probably go through the motions many times before they actually do it.

    Spontaneous, impulsive, suicides are probably as rare as murders of passion and probably caused by the same thing. Wife finds husband in the arms of a lover. Most handle it responsibly and walk away but some kill one of the three involved: husband, lover, or themselves, during the heat of passion in their discovery.
     
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    Then the transgender community is not actually a legitimate community, but rather a subset of the population experiencing significant mental illness.
     
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    Suicide is the result of suicidal thoughts that are acted upon, regardless of method. You folks are so disingenuous about this topic. There exist plenty of countries with higher suicide rates than the US, with virtually no access to guns, which makes your silly premise of blaming guns look idiotic...
     
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    Sounds like an emotionally, unhealthy lifestyle.
     

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