CDC says coronavirus spreads mainly ~ through ~ aerosols and droplets

I'll give you credit, you have been much more scientific based than the lefty partisan posters that are continuing to play BS science and mask political partisanship that actually hurt the cause more than it helped.

 

I know you were not asking me, but it's a fair point that I'd like to answer, to.

I am no China sympathizer. I've been saying that they are our main geopolitical enemy and one of the things I like about Trump is that he stands up to China and I'm afraid Biden if elected won't do as much.

I do blame China for many of the deaths, for three reasons: one, they tried to hide and play down the outbreak in the beginning, for at least 3 weeks, including pressuring the whistleblower, a young doctor who actually later died of Covid-19. Two, they deliberately delayed WHO notification until they could gobble up for themselves the PPE they were about to export. Not honoring their export contracts for PPE contributed to a worldwide scarcity of PPE. Three, while they cordoned out entire cities and limited domestic travel, they did nothing to prevent their nationals from going elsewhere and spreading the virus. It's hard to think of a country doing that, stopping their own nationals from going abroad in the beginning of an outbreak before full awareness of its seriousness, but the fact is that traveling Chinese people did contribute to the spread.

I do not blame China for the virus emerging in the first place. Contrary to conspiracy theorists, this virus is not man made and hasn't been tampered with. It is a natural occurrence. Sure, people complain that respiratory viruses always originate in China. This is a feature of the ecosystem rather than something fostered by the Chinese government. I'm sure they'd be delighted if they didn't have to periodically fight off respiratory viruses that originate in their corner of the woods.

I do not only blame China for all the deaths because other governments are partially responsible too, with many wrong decisions everywhere. For example, Singapore controlled the virus initially among their citizens but did not take similar measures to protect non-citizen guest worker communities; the virus then bounced back from those communities into their citizenry. Italy announced 3 days in advance that they would cordon out the city of Milan, resulting in residents fleeing the city before the deadline and spreading the virus everywhere. Sweden made notorious mistakes; all the people touting their no-lockdown approach ignore that they are currently considering a lockdown, realizing that they are again facing another surge and their initial approach resulted in many more deaths per capita than the rates for their neighbors.

So, mistakes existed everywhere, but I do also blame the Trump administration, the State governors (R or D), and mayors (R or D) for a high number of blunders. Also I blame our own stupidity; I'm talking about the people of the United States being stupid. So, I blame Trump for erratic advice, lack of leadership, undermining containment efforts, not leading by example in the matter of masks, doing relatively little to provide PPE to states, treating red and blue states differently, pushing for unproven treatments, and implementing porous travel restrictions that still allowed 40,000 people to come in from China. I blame governors like Cuomo for forcing nursing homes to accept covid-19 infected residents, for undermining initial efforts to lockdown such as mocking DeBlasio's statements that it was needed, and I blame mayors like DeBlasio too, for saying insanities like encouraging people to go to restaurants in early days. But I also blame governors like Florida's and Georgia's for reopening their states prematurely before certain indicators turned favorable.

And I blame the American people for being too divided and for making of a public health matter, an over-politicized one, for example, by making of being maskless a political statement rather than a boneheaded and imprudent move.

So, in summary, yes, the Chinese are responsible for some deaths, but we are all responsible for some others, too.

 

True. My apologies.

 

~ Here is to herd immunity. May we all be well ...

 

OK, I'm not a Dem, I'm an independent, non-affiliated voter for the good reason that I abhor both parties. I do vote and I usually do vote for candidates from the two main parties because I don't believe in NOT taking a stance and trying to at least select the lesser of two evils; I think it's my patriotic duty to weigh in with my humble vote, but I've consistently voted for candidates of both parties; I've already voted (my state was early with the mail in ballots) and I voted again, this time, for both Democrats and Republicans.

But I'll say this: you are singling out Dems as making of this problem a political one. The Republicans did exactly the same. Both parties have over-politicized the matter. Don't blame just one party; that's a double standard. There are numerous examples of the GOP also doing it, starting with the president himself.

 

What is herd amunity?

 

~ I just invented it .

 

The current POTUS has had several biographies written about him. Here in the US he has been a public figure since the mid 70s. Anybody paying attention and able to judge character knows that the current POTUS is a man of very low character, a venal charlatan and a crook.

I believe that he had no idea this thing was coming, despite Fauci's warning him in 2017.

Had he been a principled and honorable man he could have seized the moral high ground in this matter, and become a sort of whistleblower, exposing the machinations of those who planned it and brought it.

He did not, and quickly entered the stinky mess with an eye towards making $ from CARES for himself, his family and friends.

He did not distance himself from the fiasco, he became embroiled in it. He is a poor leader and a wicked man.

 

Planned it??

Go back to your QAnon website

 

~ How did Fauci know ?

 

I'm guessing you never worked in government before.

Several months ago I read the book by Judy Mikovits entitled A Plague of Corruption. She worked with Fauci back when HIV was all the rage. What she says about him is not flattering.

Yes, new information should change previous thoughts and statements. Information has been steadily accumulating since this began 9 months ago, and it all shows that Covid is pretty much about the same as flu. The accumulating evidence has shown that whistleblowers, like Mikovits and Frontline Doctors, have been censored by the powers that be.

For the curious mind, that means something.

 

The key is in your opening statement. When China shut down domestic travel to and from WUHAN they KNEW they had an airborne super spreader. If they would have announced this to the world at that time we had a chance to stop this thing. We could've tracked down travelers and who they came in contact with at that point. Literally a week later it was to late but guess what they kept it all a secret as it was spreading around the world. Scientist were behind the 8 ball right out of the gate and all the way until March based on listening to Fauci's statements in Feb. It's not China's fault it started more than likely but we can't be sure it wasn't a biolab failure. Anyone who can't see that China and their decision only allowed this thing to spread to an unstoppable level around the world is playing politics. We saw governments shut down yet it still spread. We saw countries with major testing yet still spread. Mask mandates yet it still spread. Nothing was stopping this and to be quiet honest I don't think a reasonable person can truly believe the world numbers given due to the lack of testing most countries have done much less the reliability of governments giving accurate numbers.

 

It kills about the same number of those infected as the flu does. The vast majority of those infected, way over 99%, survive just fine.

 

As part of a broader offensive against India and Western rivals, Pakistan and China have entered a secret three-year agreement to expand potential bio-warfare capabilities, including several research projects related to the deadly agent anthrax.
~ India Times

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Thus INFECTING more people, is what you meant to say.

And of those infected, way less than 1% of them will die.

 

Maybe it has a political explanation. The masks that we all have today were never touted as stopping the virus, we were told the N95 offered limited protection. This isn't new information it's simply that it fits the political program now. Biden is getting worse and needs to avoid public speaking and especially any form of debate that takes him off the prompter.

 

He seems to have had prior knowledge, probably gained from watching or even participating in Agenda 201. He's been working for the government for 35 years.

 

I accept your thoughts and don't totally disagree. If you go back early on when the alarms went off in mid march that American Scientist modelers were saying that we could have 20-30 million infected and 2-3 million deaths, I point blank asked several of the dem alarmist would you call it a success for Trump and the CDC if our numbers ended up being a quarter of that? Even then they were orange man created the problem and was his fault while the Administration was giving guidelines for state's to shut down and reopen at great cost to American lives. Both Republican and Dem Governors were praising the Administration for getting the states information and stepping up to insure every states needs for months.

The numbers thank god never came close to those predicted numbers either because the scientist had no clue on how to project virus's impact or the Administration did a good job. That's not to say there aren't mistakes, of course there always is in a novel virus, we're all human. Now you have dems daily blaming Trump, the same dems that trashed his shutting the borders, the same dems that said his early warnings were a diversion from impeachment, the same dems that in late march saying come to china town and ride the subway. It's all to get Trump out of office and that's fine but let's call it what it is. We are here because China lied, once let out of that country NOONE was stopping it and everyone was trying to flatten the death curve, which we did if the original science model predictions were correct.

 

This whole Covid thing has given a very bad name to those who do scientific models. They've been wrong way more than they've been right.

Those in the mainstream media treat such modeling as factual instead of the hypothetical exercises they are, and the credulous and fearful public do the same.

 

~ Something suspicious about the little guy ... I believe that he has had some connection to the Wuhan laboratory in the past ?

 

He was instrumental in getting around the prohibition on gain of function experiments by Congress. He moved some federal funds around to conduct those experiments at UNC Chapel Hill in 2015, perhaps a bureaucratic version of money laundering. He worked with scientists from the Wuhan lab.

 

~ As I said when this thing first unfolded - something stinks ! - and it ain't sour chopped suey.

 

I agree with everything except the biolab failure. Like an American scientist who worked for a while at the Wuhan Virology lab said (I won't find the link again; it's been months ago and I didn't save it, but I did read it), it's far-fetched to think that a lab with level 4 security would be responsible for the virus escaping into the wild, with everybody there dealing with these viruses in full-blow biohazard suits, and layer upon layer of precautions, versus the thousands of unprotected, unsuspecting tourists that go into bat caves and what not.

I also agree that there was no way to stop it. All governments have tried, not many succeeded (New Zealand, Japan). But what is clear is that we made quasi-deliberate mistakes that made the outbreak here worst than it could have been.

 

It was a planned event--of course there was no way to stop it.

The Swedes demonstrated that a rational approach would result in the people being able to live with it, as they do with so many other virus.

 

I think maybe you should read it. The Guard is under the Governors control and can be used here at home and have been before and will be again. Democrats don't want to stop the rioting, they just want it to run through the election. It is going to get much worse after Trump is reelected.