https://thinkprogress.org/census-immigration-groups/ I included a link from a Left leaning source to discourage criticism of biased RW reporting. Instead I'll let the spin come from the left...or just use a little logic. The main question is this. Should there be seats in congress representing large swaths of people living here who aren't even citizens? Should ILLEGALS receive representation in congress? The simple answer is NO. If they should, can someone logically explain why? Democrats claim its racist, because since most illegals are minorities, they won't respond in fear of being discovered, so some districts will go under-reported. And anything that affects only minorities, is obviously racist, even its race has nothing to do with it. It's a very telling and worrisome theory they have. Republicans claim it simply gives us more accurate information, since why should people who aren't legally allowed to vote be represented by those in charge of crafting legislation. Souldn't the lines be drawn accurately? Makes sense. Democrats also claim they could lose house seats, which brings up that same question and really is the crux of all of this. Is it legal or even fair to have members of congress who essentially are representing illegals? Wouldn't that skew their decision making? But it certainly gives credence and motivation for sanctuary cities. It encourages them to collect in one area which then bumps up population numbers. It encourages MORE illegal immigration. More people, more representation. Something is NOT kosher How can Democrats on one hand claim they're for strict immigration policy, then on the other, fight this? This combined with fighting tooth and nail to provide proper support and funding to ICE to do their jobs? Accusing ICE of racism. Accusing just about anyone of racism who wants to control our borders actually. Someone's not being honest.
Not a proper current event thread, but I ask that you consider the fact that under counting districts does not just hurt the illegal immigrants in that district, but every citizen residing in that district as well. The resources that otherwise would be allocated based on the total number of residents are instead significantly reduced and those resources will be stretched thin such that every individual residing in that district is harmed as well. The purpose of the census is to count every resident in a given area, whether legal or not.
Split on this one. If all the census was used for is political representation, then I would be against counting illegals - but it's also used for resource allocation for emergencies responders. The reality is the people are there, legal or illegal, and if we have a natural disaster or large medical event, then it doesn't make sense to pretend people who live in the area don't exist. Not a simple black and white issue.
Why don't Dems want to know how many Americans live in the United States? Why don't they want to know how many non-citizens we have here? Why are they scared to know the actual numbers?
It was posted today and still quite current, since its ongoing. So you think increased federal resources should go towards supporting illegals? And you didn't finish up your definition of purpose. I'll finish your sentence..."legal or not, with the intent to calculate seats in the house." What motivation do you have to want illegals to be represented in our govt? And wouldn't that then motivate cities to control their populations legally and get this entire mess under control? If the citizens, THE IMPORTANT people we're supposed to be taking care of, know that an overabundance of illegals can negatively impact their safety, maybe they will get off their duffs and motivate their representatives to stop playing games? I'm certainly not a part of the base, but I'm already 2 steps ahead of you=) You're not thinking nuanced at all. You're thinking completely PARTISAN. I'm only thinking about the safety of the citizens of this country. Those paying federal taxes. Those paying into SS. Those legally allowed to be here. Those who matter, FIRST. WHat's YOUR motivation to provide safety for illegals?
It does if your objective is the draw the legislative maps. The GOP doesn’t want the actual number of people counted, just as they don’t want the wrong people to vote. We know that this is the GOP objective, because the man who ran the campaign in 2010 said so, in writing. And we have the comments of any number of GOP state legislators defending gerrymandering and voter suppression laws for the same reason.
Illegals live in every district of the country. But I would love to watch you tell American citizens "oh well" the next time that a natural disaster occurs and the resources allocated to that region were woefully insufficient because the government had an inaccurate count of the number of residents.
Voter suppression only affects minorities? Poor minorities are less capable then poor white people to register and vote? How interesting
What's my motivation for providing safety for illegals? Well, they are human beings. Guess that's first and last on my list. I don't particularly get off on the death of some 5 year old Columbian kid just to make a political point. I'm not a Democrat, so I don't get some satisfaction out of more votes for a Party I don't support (BOTH parties have serious issues).
Not every district=) But there are some large areas with disproportionate numbers, affecting voting patterns and in turn influencing govt figures. You think thats good for the country? Illegals, essentially foreign criminals, affecting the outcomes of elections? That's fascinating.
Because no illegal is going to tell the truth about being illegal to a census taker. Just ain't going to happen. So either they will lie about their status or they will not report at all - which gives inaccurate information to First Responders and government disaster preparedness officials. Ain't rocket science.
Do you get off on the death of a citizen at the hands of an illegal? Or how about illegals killing illegals? That happens often. And by the way, EVERY single illegal in this country are here due to their own actions or their parents, so any death or harm that occurs, is at their own hands. Its their own personal responsibility. We neither have the resources nor responsibility to take care of the entire central and southern part of the continent. It would irresponsible to assume otherwise.
Oh BS typical nothing burger post by you, I agree with Daniel and it all comes back to one issue that Congress won't fix, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION...
Your focus is extremely narrow. The influence of the census extends far beyond voting and representational issues. In fact, the census being done every 10 years is an exceedingly poor measure of voting issues when compared to the elections that take place every two/four years.
What’s your point? This has been going on for years, and is very well documented. GOP efforts have included eliminating early voting or radically reducing voting hours. They have included closing polling stations in areas where minorites live or are likely to vote. Some of these efforts have been pretty blatant too, as more than one Federal judge has pointed out. Of course, the GOP leadership has stood steadfastly in the way of any law to prevent these practices. And you didn’t see too much of them before the a conservative Supreme Court negated much of the Voting Rights Act, which opened the flood gates to GOP led voter suppression efforts , especially in the South,
Ah... the superficial approach. Got to love folks who defend the use of illegals to artificially support their party. It's today's ballot stuffing... And look, democrats are soooo concerned that their future is at stake that they are now advocating allowing non citizens the ability to vote in elections to support them. It's LAUGHABLE...
Moronic post on your part. All that is separate from the census issue. Knowing how many people live in an area doesn't cause violence, and it's a moronic argument to claim it does. And we do have the resources to keep an illegal from dying of starvation or disease - it's barbaric to claim we don't. And it's moronic to send in First Responders to a disaster area and not give them every bit of information we can about the population of that area - it puts them at risk.
Well the question asked isn't about being illegal. You know people can be here legally....and not be US Citizens. I think your post highlights the major problem facing the nation, on issues like this in particular, you have been greatly mislead.
No it isn't. It's purpose is to count the population of it's citizens. Are we to count every person here who's on vacation from another country? Or every business man here from another country seeking trade? How about everyone who's here on temporary work visas?
More moronic than asking me if I get off on illegals dying? And who said anything you just claimed? And who said anything about 1 illegal? It's the resources for 10s of millions. The point is providing disaster relief, funding for schools, hospitals, police, water, and welfare for people that SHOULD NEVER BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! Do you not understand that illegals HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE IN THIS COUNTRY forcing the rest of us to pay for them? And inviting them in by the millions, claiming we'll be happy to take you and provide for you is the exact opposite of what a sovereign nation should be doing to protect its borders and people? Do you care at all about our borders? Do you care that people here didn't build a sh1thole country, but everyone to our south has. Nearly every country to our south is a mess. We didn't BUILD that. They did. But now we need to care for them too? Sure hope you don't think its our responsibility to care for anyone and everyone who feels they deserve a better life here. Nobody DESERVES anything. They have no right to it. They have very little to offer. If they did, they would arrive by plane and come through customs with all the proper identification, a bank account, probably a job already set up, ect...not show up at a border checkpoint with a bottle of water and 4 kids in tow. That's NOT who we need. That's not who will help us be better. If a business did that, they would no longer be in business, because they couldn't survive hiring anyone and everyone who wanted to work. And this country is a business, not a soup kitchen or a day care center=)
