Census confirms: 63 percent of ‘non-citizens’ on welfare, 4.6 million households

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  1. kazenatsu

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    The key words there are “is considered”

    Meaning if its in the brain of a liberal that makes it a fact to them

    By that standard any wuestion of the census is discrimination sonce there is more than one possible answer
     
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    That's odd. When I was a cop it was a legal requirement to ask their nationality when I detained or arrested someone, in case I needed to contact their consulate.
    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/consularnotification.html
     
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    Straw man alert! There wouldn't be a new "government department complete with infrastructure and a massive number of staff."
    Make your case for a $40b wall when half of all illegals are overstaying a visa. And why is a wall better than a combination of a physical barrier (perhaps a wall) in some areas and other devices in other border areas?
     
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    What civil liberty issues? It would replace the Social Security card for citizens and permanent residents. You wouldn't be required it carry it around.
    Red Herring Alert!

    Are you hiring illegals and don't want ICE to have an effective enforcement tool? :(:( I want employers to have an effective, inexpensive way to make sure they're hiring people with a right to work here, and a way to put fear of God in employers who would knowingly hire illegals.
     
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    I don't think you could ask that either, there would be no reason unless you suspected they were not citizens or immigrants. How would you form that suspicion? Would it be because they spoke a different language? That can't be the basis of suspicion since there are plenty of citizens who speak a foreign language. Moreover, it is not illegal for foreign nationals to be present in the US. I think that by operation of law one is to presume foreign nationals are lawfully present. The immigration authorities can ask, police and functionaries are not supposed to.
     
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    So who would manage all the applications then? And don't forget it would mean questioning thousands of individual migrants, and tracing it all back to the authorities in their home countries to confirm what they'd said in the interrogation, not just taking their word for it that they're bona fide applicants looking for a better life.
     
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    Okay, but again, if it is asked to EVERYONE then how can it be deemed discriminatory?
    The word "discriminatory" has a pretty clear definition. It should be pretty easy to understand, even for politicians and law makers.

    How is such "intent" demonstrated?
     
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    Intent to reside in a given place is established by conduct; signing a lease, getting a job there, enrolling in a school, getting a driver's license, subscribing for the delivery of goods or services, engaging in ongoing activities that one expects to continue longer than if one was to remain temporarily.
     
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    All those can be faked.
     
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    They can be faked and legal residency requires presence for an established period, you could rent an apartment, get a driver's license, enroll in some class and be hired in a single day, but doing these sort of things does suggest an intent to remain. In Mexico foreigners who intend to remain longer than a year must obtain a residence permit and getting one requires evidence of income, either a bank account balance sufficient to cover anticipated expenses for the whole year, or evidence of lawful employment (which requires a work permit).
     
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    No still the same. The only prerequisite is that they couldn't show a valid government accepted I.D, such as a drivers license, then you can ask where they are from.
     
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    I read the article, but I'm not sure why Alberta would leave one declining power to join another one. Also the person being interviewed assumes that the US Congress would think it's a no brainer to want to add an oil rich state with a skilled workforce. I don't think that's a given at all.
     

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