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  1. unkotare

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    Some folks are up in arms over the proposed provision on the next census form including a question about the citizenship of everyone in the household.

    Assuming the responses were to be trusted, it seems like useful information to have.
     
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    Hi there... you are new, so a few rules about posting new threads on the Current Events forum.

    1. Find a URL on the topic you want to discuss.... Open it and paste the title of that article as your thread title

    IE...https://www.npr.org/2019/02/15/6926...-if-2020-census-includes-citizenship-question

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    Supreme Court To Decide Whether 2020 Census Will Include Citizenship Question

    2.. Post no more than 3 paragraphs from that article in your thread to summarize it, clearly identified as having come from the article (not your thoughts)

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    I don't suppose those here illegally would answer the census, or at least answer truthfully, but it would be good to know.

    Fear that the information could be used against those here illegally anyway seems to be missing the point a bit.
     
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    Would you be ok with a question in the census asking if and how many firearms you have in your home?
     
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    Yes I would.
     
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    Why wouldn't you be?
     
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    The town I live in sends out a mini census every year as well. It is part of staying on the registered voting rules. It asks about the citizenship status or country of origin of everyone in the household, and the world does not seem to have ended because of it.
     
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    How is that relevant for tax purposes?
     
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    Don’t give the democrats any ideas.
     
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    Illegal residents are illegal. Firearms are legal. No, I would not be OK with that question.
     
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    Apples, and oranges.
     
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    @unkotare


    Constitutionally, :blahblah:

    The census is about apportioning the House of Representatives.
    Other than the 3/5ths clause, I know of no phrase that mentions
    accounting for citizenship nor legal status nor that one person is not
    counted as one person.


    Si?
     
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    My understanding if the Census as mandated by Article I, Section 2 of the United States Constitution, is about gathering information about citizens for the purposes of representation and taxing. Asking questions about guns would seem irrelevant.
     
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    Citizens
    How about persons
    and remembering one slave = 3/5ths of a person

    Article 1 Section 2
    Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons


    <ta da>
     
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    The census counts people, not guns, cars, refrigerators or bicycles.
     
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    why not kitchen utensils and baseball bats? medications & quantities? household products for cleaning? automotive liquids? automobiles? cordage? duct tape? trash bags? or any of the other many things that are used to kill/harm people and are far more numerous than any gun related deaths...
     
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    Years ago, I remember an uproar about asking
    how many toilets in the home.

    The Census must be limited to only counting persons
    as Article 1 Section 2 says. Not citizens. "Persons".
    Counting anything else is unconstitutional and should
    be left to private for hire counting businesses.

    thus spaketh Moi :oldman:




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