Challenge To Remove Obama From New Hampshire Primary To Be Heard Friday

There wasn't a sovereign country of Kenya in 1961 then... Are you always that pedantic or just when you are losing...

 

They weren't sovereign, which is a requesite for having a nationality.

 

Unlike Birthers, I don't rely upon Birther blogs for my information, and don't just repeat what other Birthers are saying. But for the education of the Birthers who choose to read here is what the source material said:

http://factcheck.org/2008/08/obamas-kenyan-citizenship/
A: No. He held both U.S. and Kenyan citizenship as a child, but lost his Kenyan citizenship automatically on his 23rd birthday.

Corrected (Sep. 3, 2009): Our original article incorrectly stated that then-Sen. Obama lost his Kenyan citizenship on Aug. 4, 1982. The correct date is Aug. 4, 1984. The Kenyan Constitution required Obama to choose whether to keep either his U.S. or Kenyan citizenship upon his 21st birthday, which was in 1982. But we initially missed that the Constitution provided him a two-year window for making that choice. So Obama did not lose his Kenyan citizenship until his 23rd birthday in 1984. We have updated the item to reflect this.

- Joe Miller

Of course we only have Factcheck and Obama's word for his Kenyan citizenship. If you find Factcheck and Obama credible, then you would believe what they have said.

If you don't find Factcheck and Obama credible, then I have no idea why you would assume he ever had Kenyan citizenship.

 

No- he said he wasn't born a Kenyan citizen. Birthers have no reading comprehension which is why you are having such difficulty.

 

Does not change the fact that Obama held dual citizenship and dual allegiances until he was 21, does it?

 

People always have nationality... If Obama was not Kenyan, he was then surely British, as some people believe, and you seem to be one of them. Whatever...

 

And yet it doesn't matter inthe end. The people, the congress, the electoral college, the judiciary... All says that your are a bunch of morons who doesn't have a clue about what you are talking about.

If only you were paid by the lies and innuendoes that you post you would be rich instead of being trailer trash.

 

What is your source of information that Obama held dual citizenship until he was 21?

 

Good question, good question JEFF - both the never wrong fightthesmears site and the factcheck site.

 

It matters plenty, and some day I'll explain it to you. For now, it'll suffice for me to prove to you Obama was in fact dual citizen till age 21, and he did owe allegiance to two countries.

 

I can only assume that you are clueless regarding the Pentagon. As a West Point graduate who has spent a significant amount of time there, I assure you that they do not care about your silly list. There are tens of millions of Americans who are dual citizens, most without their knowledge, as the result of the automatic operation of foreign law. This is true of most if not all on your list. The Pentagon has no interest in them.

I am a dual citizen by that same operation of foreign law. My first job as a 2LT was custodial responsibility for nuclear warheads on the border between Turkey and the (then) Soviet Union. My dual citizenship was never once looked at cross-eyed.

You have no way of knowing that. I further assure you that when a security clearance is denied or special assignments not awarded, you are not told why. That would be stupid, as it would announce the criteria used for such decisions and make it easier to game them in the future. If your son was not considered trustworthy enough for the assignment, he certainly would not be considered trustworthy enough to be told why.

I also suspect that your list of dual citizens comes from a source with a significant anti-Semitic agenda. It is after all merely a list of Jews. There is no evidence that any of them have made any volitional effort to accept Israeli citizenship under their right of return.

You should be skeptical of it.

 

And Obama's has always been American.

 

Him and 300mln other people - whoopie-doodle-do.

 

Okay, if you consider what Fightthesmears and Factcheck to say to be 'facts'-

Then the facts are(from Fightthesmears):

In 2008, President Obama's campaign released his certification of live birth—the legal birth certificate provided to all Hawaiians as proof of birth in state.

But conspiracy theorists have continued to question the authenticity of President Obama's birth certificate in order to manipulate voters into thinking that the President isn't an American citizen.

It's time to put an end to this fake controversy—and refocus on debating how we grow our economy, create jobs, get our fiscal house in order, and educate our children for the challenges of the 21st century.

To move on from this distraction, President Obama directed his attorneys to request a waiver from the State of Hawaii to release the long-form version of his birth certificate. That waiver was granted. Wait- thats the not fact we were looking for- sorry- wrong fact.

Now this is from the page you are referencing:

Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn’t have a birth certificate aren’t actually about that piece of paper — they’re about manipulating people into thinking Barack is not an American citizen.

The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America.

“The truth: Sen. Barack Obama, born in Hawaii, is a Christian family man with a track record of public service.”
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

So the facts from the source you are referencing are this:
a) Barack Obama was born in Hawaii
b) Barack Obama is a Christian Family man
c) Barack Obama has a track record of public service.
d) Barack Obama was born a British subject.
e) Barack Obama's Kenyan citizenship expired on August 4, 1982.

So lets go to Factcheck:
We’ve burned through rather a lot of pixels combating the claims of those who deny that Barack Obama is eligible to be president of the United States. He is, by virtue of having been born in Hawaii, as attested to repeatedly by state officials and even by the flagship of conservative publications, the National Review. And, for the 10 percent of you out there who aren’t entirely sure, yes, Hawaii is part of the United States.

We’ve given the denialists a lot of grief for the times they’ve been wrong. But we’d be remiss not to note when they get something right. Our Aug. 29, 2008, Ask FactCheck item asking whether Obama has Kenyan citizenship correctly stated that Obama did have dual citizenship as a child but that it expired as an adult. But Leo Donofrio, a lawyer, argues that we got the year wrong. He’s right about that, and we have corrected the item.

Initially, we said that Obama’s citizenship expired in 1982, on Obama’s 21st birthday. In fact, however, the Kenyan Constitution provides a two-year window during which one can decide which citizenship to keep. So, President Obama’s Kenyan citizenship expired on Aug. 4, 1984, not 1982, as we had initially reported.

We regret the error. But we do note that the two-year change doesn’t really make any difference. As we’ve said before, the only constitutional requirements for being elected president are that one be at least 35 years old, reside in the U.S. for 14 consecutive years prior to election and be a natural-born citizen. Obama was born in Hawaii. And he lost his Kenyan citizenship around the same time Don Johnson created a minor crisis in the sock and the razor blade manufacturing industries.

Okay, so the facts according to Factcheck are that:
a) Barack Obama is eligible to be President.
b) Barack Obama was born in Hawaii
c) Barack Obama's Kenyan citizenship expired when he turned 23.

I like all of these facts.

Finally one more fact from Factcheck:

President Barack Obama released the long-form version of his birth certificate today, yet another piece of concrete evidence that shows he was born in the United States. The White House said he received a special exemption from the Hawaii Department of Health, which keeps the long-form documents confidential.

 

Factcheck.org is part and parcel of the Annenberg Foundation.

The full name of FactCheck.org is The Annenberg Political Fact Check.

The Annenberg Political Fact Check is part of the Annenberg Public Policy Center.

Also part of the Annenberg Public Policy Center was the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was founded by William Ayers, and to which he recruited the young Barack Obama. This was Barack Obama's first big-boy job.

The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was the launching pad for Barack Obama's political career. He owes every bit of success since then to the contacts he made and favors he was able to grant as Chairman of this fund. It would not be at all inaccurate to call Barack Obama "The Senator from Annenberg"

it's a small world after all department. half typed half written.
We regret the error. But we do note that the two-year change doesn’t really make any difference. recalculating. or did you mean factcheck.com in the caymen islands?

 

Well, whatever. So, we now accept as facts that

Obama was dual citizen until at least the age 21 and
Obama owed dual allegiance until at least age 21. Standby for part 2, where I can prove to you that noone with dual allegiance can be/should be a president of the United States. Soon as holidays are ova

 

I look forward to seeing how you prove that the voters, the Electoral College, Congress and Chief Justice Roberts were all just too ignorant to know what you know.

 

I cannot prove anything to the 70+mln schmucks, JEFF, so I won't try. But I do what I can, and anytime I can persuade anyone Obama's not eligible to serve, that day is a good day

 

How sad.

Doomed never to have a good day.


I still am surprised, after 3 years, at the contempt Birthers have for the voters, the Electoral College, Congress and Chief Justice Roberts.

 

And the Constitution.

 

me too. it's quite a story. unless there was proactive distraction or cover up. i want to know why everybody missed it. i know it's not just because of you guys and margot.

 

The Birther hissy fit in New Hampshire is turning out to be one of the biggest PR debacles in Birther history.

Good job, Orly.

 

LoL, and you frown at WND as being partisan? Susan Bruce is so far to the left, the gray matter in her head to the right of her left ear atrophied decades ago. She's a left wing's whack-job and bat-(*)(*)(*)(*), LoL

What crap

 

ever been to north conway N.H. ??

besides' this kitty kelly article may help bring attention to the story. it sure goes along with the long list of "reputable obot news sources". nice try bong van dark. got anything else besides

the honolulu shopper ?




Susan Bruce
North Country Columnist and Blogger
Show appearances: Feb. 25, 2007, May 27, 2007, Dec. 09, 2007, Mar. 09, 2008, Sept. 07, 2008

Susan Bruce is an organizer, activist, and writer who lives in Jackson, NH. Her editorials are published in the Conway Daily Sun, and can be accessed at her blog: susanthebruce.blogspot.com

Susan is currently employed as an organizer for the NH Kucinich for President 2008 campaign.


nice wong... kucinich.

 

Not at all.

I frown at WND for being liars and swindlers.