Chancellor Merkel compares USA under Trump with late USSR

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Now there's an ENGLISH Deep State?

    Is it hooked into a place called Hogwarts?
     
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    Why doesn't the Bloviator-in-Chief get us out of NATO? He left Brussels for the UK on his usual cudhion of hot air exclaiming NATO is stronger than before. Why are we still in NATO?
     
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    And we own theirs.

    Beside that, since when is our energy policy your business.

    Merkel just said: "No reason to allow USA to treat Germany like a Vasall.

    Which means pretty much your demands got flushed down the toilet

    https://www.welt.de/debatte/komment...-Trump-wie-ein-Lakai-behandeln-zu-lassen.html
     
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    But of course. :rolleyes:
     
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    Nothing, we already plan construction on a base there. We also plan beyond that and landed a spacecraft on a comet.
     
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    I don't know about you but could swear the odor of foreign bot drifted by my nose, especially after you were accused of a sweet spot for tyrants.
     
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    Because of the "red scare"?
    By "red scare" I mean Islam. :)
     
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    Lie #1.
    Lie #2.
    Check the polls...



    President Bloviator is about as popular as ants at a picnic.
     
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    to defend europe. Trump merely wants other NATO nations to fulfill their commitments.

    Its not that difficult to understand
     
  10. LangleyMan

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    BS straight from the echo chamber.
     
  11. AmericanNationalist

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    Of course you like it, there's not a single amount of truth of any of it. Their claims rest on RT, Sputnik and "Russia Media sources"(Senate Intel Committee.) None of that implies actual truth(IE: Direct evidence.) But don't worry, our burden for such things has significantly reduced in 2018.

    As for the Germans, some things are better left unsaid. You'd think for a country trying to repair relations with the US, it wouldn't release a propaganda piece against the President. Apparently they're as blind as Merkel because being dependent upon Russian/Eurasian oil means they're a "free country"(like we're "free" from the ME right?)

    I don't care if the fracturing of this abusive relationship is a 'victory' for Russia, it's a greater victory for the United States. If one is not a steadfast ally of the United States, don't pretend to be. Australia is on a rocky boat for the same reasons, having pretended and aided the true collusion in the 2016 elections.

    The US demands reciprocity in its relationships, fail this and they're not allies. The one-sided relationships ended when Trump was elected, and there will be other Americans who carry the sentiment forward.
     
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    You're from a state where marujuana is legal, aren't you?
     
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    That's funny because I see the developing world map as Russia VS Europe part 3. And I don't want any part of it this time. You can beg, you can crawl and you can even increase defense spending but American lives will not be spilled in Europe again.

    The only reason there was ever any reason to do so, is basically the policy of containment on Russia. But with Russia's strategic and military alliance with China(who you're also cozying up with. Which IMO is stupid.), it makes no sense to directly confront Russia where we don't have to.

    And there's not an argument for us to once again enter the European theater. It would only put the world at risk. So if you feel "threatened" by Russia, despite trying to economically compete with her(wooing Ukraine as an EU member), then by all means. But we will not take part in the conflict. Or at least I hope not.
     
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    I take you it skived history class at school then.
    He was the leader of a political party in Germany called the National Socialists.
    A workers people party, that in is his own words, was modelled on Marx.

    He is the most famous socialist in history.

    You can't really not have known that can you?
    I guess I've just been trolled. Well played.
     
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    We want a foreign nation to **** of our internal political decissions. Its not that difficult to understand?
     
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    Quit NATO then. Put your money where your mouth is.
    Quit the EU too.

    Seems someone is a bit behind on current affairs.
     
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    1. Russia is Europe.
    2. Russias economy is patheticly small and weak.
    3. American lives are meaningless. 67% of Germans want a cut with USA. Who the **** tells you that we want this alliance? You do realize that american tourists here better say they are canadian, right?

    Nobody fells threatened by Russia in Germany. Who else should we fear? Tonga?
     
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    If NATO prevents 'Russian Expansion'; it does so only in the sense that Europe is emotionally and militarily dependent upon the US. Which is the whole point: We don't see that as a relationship. That's an abusive relationship, one that denigrates the US to being a client State of the European Union. We rebelled against Britain due to a similar situational status.

    Simply, it is not our concern if Russia pushes forward in the Russian-European conflict. It's definitely not our concern when the Europeans egg it on, 'backed up' by the United States.

    Since the Europeans want to start it, I want to leave it. It's that simple. The two sides can never find peace and therefore the alliance is ruined and a waste. We tried.

    That does not mean pro-Russia either. It simply means it's pro-American to exit this while we can. For the question becomes: How much longer can we prevent the conflict? If Russia sees NATO not as a defensive alliance, but an offensive one how much longer will Russia sit there?

    The onus on European-Russian relationships is on Europe-Russia. Russia stated it sees itself as a European nation, this can be the conduct for talks. We can even be a mediator for such talks. But no more military assistance.
     
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    NATO is not just good for other countries, but it is also good for us, it's almost like the right doesn't want allies anymore

    I think most countries know Trump is a fluke and will be gone in two more years, so they are just waiting it out, unlike most dictators, we have term limits
     
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    Trumpites have written off Australia because of its extensive trade with China.
     
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    So you're telling us it's okay to go? Voice this in a German Parliamentary vote and I can show that to the idiots in Washington who support the emotionally abusive relationship as if it was 1985 and Reagan was President.
     
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    I agree with Merkel. The US has no right in interfering in another nation's business. But this is what we have done habitually since at least the end of ww2. Our intel even spied on Merkel, spied on allies and enemies alike. With allies like us, who needs enemies, as the old saw goes...

    While this was a soft interference, we also interfere militarily, even as Pres. Bush Sr. once said when asked why we didn't march into Bagdad and take Hussien out, once we solved the problem involving Iraq and Kuwait, that the US did not invade sovereign nations and remove their leaders. Of course he must have remembered International Law that we helped to write post ww2. That was to change under his son, Bush Jr. And this was a major change in our policy, although we had for decades did this interference covertly using our CIA, a historical fact. But we did it sneakily, covertly, in the shadows, and would even employ murder if needed. We would send in the jackals if we needed to and all else failed. And we became experts at it, all while wrapped tightly in the American flag, and it generally was beneficial to our elite capitalists, big corporations, big banking, which is of course pure coincidence. And that is our history and only the low IQ people are unaware of this history.


    Of course the reason that the US would give, for Trump's remarks, involves europe, especially germany not to become dependent upon russia for energy needs. And if we can bring russia to its knees, so they become another vassal state of the US elites, by taking away a significant portion of their income, as an oil and NG supplier for europe, who does not serve, financially? You only need one guess. If you are intellectually astute and informed.

    Our financial driven elites would use the idea that russia could hold europe hostage, threatening their economies, and that russia probably has these plans already made, in their intent to become another ww2 germany, and to rule over europe. The dependence upon russian fossil fuels is a key part of that scheme. Unless of course, Western oil companies are the source of russian fossil fuels, and then there is no worry at all. ha ha. Or if europe uses american NG, which is more expensive, as that would benefit a small group of very rich elites in america, and even the UK.

    The US, that Trump represents, demands leverage over other nations, especially a nation like germany. And even our CIA spying on german leaders is a part of that. And our ruling elites and the money elites who own the US gov't, a gov't that will do their bidding, and has historically used our CIA and military to achieve those ends, have positioned themselves, via Pres. Trump in regards to the source of fossil fuels for germany. This was as predictable as the sun rising in the East and setting in the West, if you actually understand one of the main sources for US foreign policy. If you understand this, then everything we do makes damned good sense, from this event to what we have done in the middle east. Even if our actions and policy appears to be insanity with no rhyme nor reason present. Our actions and policy only becomes coherent when one can understand one driving force behind it, and who is being served. Hint, it ain't you nor I, for we are not members of this club as Carlin once said in a comedy routine. And DC according to the Princeton Study, that used congressional record over a couple decades does not represent the People, average americans in legislation, and only represents primarily special interests, the people with lots of money, who contribute greatly to finance congressional and presidential campaigns, which takes hundreds of millions of bucks. These elites are not so much patriotic as simply buying policy and law in their own self interests, which of course involves their increase in wealth. Legal bribery, that even the conservatives in the USSC made legal with a decision a few years ago.


    So kudos to Merkel, for wanting to be independent instead of another vassal of the US Empire, an empire that primarily serves a small group of very rich families, old money, and new money. The Bush Clan is a part of this small group, and have been for a very long time.

    And yet Pres. Trump is still accused of being Putin's puppet! Pardon me while on roll on this concrete patio floor and laugh my old arse off! One wonders how the Left will try to spin this, and what new tin foil hat theory they will have to manufacture in order to keep their accusations of trump and putin alive? It will be difficult, but they will do it, some of them, so wait for it!
     
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    Perhaps we should be more concerned about President Golden Showers than Chancellor Merkel.
     
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    It's definitely true that there's big corporate business involved in this oil deal, for the United States in particular. But we have the entire world we can export our oil to. If Germany doesn't want to be a customer, there are other nations who would like such rich materials. Let's just be sure to charge for its maximum value :D
     
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    This is voiced in our parliament.

    This "alliance" is only for your profit. We have zero from it. You use our soil as jump board to opress the middle east. You use this pathetc alliance to bind some of the most powerful nations at you. And this has to end.
     

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