Charges Against Bundys in Ranch Standoff Case Are Dismissed

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  1. SiNNiK

    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

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    "Judge Gloria M. Navarro of Federal District Court, in a ruling from the bench, said that the government’s missteps in withholding evidence against the three Bundy family members and a supporter, Ryan W. Payne, were so grave that the indictment against them would be dismissed."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/us/bundy-ranch-standoff-case-charges-dismissed.html

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    Hadn't seen this mentioned, doesn't mean I didn't just miss it. However, this is why the 2A is so important. Keeping the government in check.
     
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    The next government will shoot first and worry later. Dead men tell no tales.
     
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    A good question is, will it seem as funny, to you, if the next Government tries to shoost someone
    close to you ?
     
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    If someone is running around with a weapon after refusing lawful authority's command to put down his arms, and he gets shot.

    I will be sad for his stupidity, yes.
     
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    Really ?

    Like the time I was riding a Subway train and a young Black Male was seated across from Me I smiled and nodded and he nodded back, I was dozing a bit with a discarded ragged copy of "The Post" I had picked up from the adjacent seat.

    A familiar looking disheveled White Male stumbled in, and the Black Male looked at him with recognition, and stood up slowly and drew a small revolver from a strong side pancake holster on a sturdy belt and told the Man to hug the door and he proceeed to pull out a pair of shiny new Hyatt handcuffs, I had also drawn my revolver and asked Keith, the Black Male who was that guy, he asked Me if I had been asleep at that last briefing I recognized him now even though he was out of Uniform, Keith handed me his cuffs and I cuffed him to a pole, we were above ground almost ready to back underground, the B line and I got a signal on my cell phone and informed central dispatch of the train and next stop, where the teain was boarded by the NY.P.D. Transit Police.

    I was going to get off and Keith stopped me, no way White Brutha, you wait and help me explains this mess to Whitey before you leave, sure enough they spot us and start the usual howling, we both where wearing the color of the day and sporting our Shields on chains around our necks and I was able to convince N.Y.s Finest We were Police Officers, only three days before, Transit Police had Shot a Black Police Officer in a similar situation while Benjamin Ward was
    P. C.
     
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    Very interesting but not very helpful in relation to my comment above.
     
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    If you discern a bit, I was trying to show, not every bloke with a Gun is a Criminal, I can tell at a glance if a man is carrying legally or not just by how he carries himself.
     
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    Return Fire is a bitch.
     
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    There will be no one able to return fire.
     
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    And why is that ?
     
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    The feds have retrained, DoctorWho. There will be no bundygates, etc., in the future.
     
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    Ok.....
    I had taken the course in 2011....
     
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    Thank you for that acknowledgment.
     
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    The dismissal of the charges in this case would suggest there was no lawful authority on the part of the government.
     
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    Immaterial.

    There will be no Bundygates, because the mistakes made with the Bundys and the Korishes etc will not repeated.

    Leaders will be taken into custody when they are out of their "nests" and in areas that are not conducive to being their havens.

    If a certain 'nest' refuses to surrender all energy, water, satellite, food supply avenues will be cut off.

    If, in the end, a 'nest' needs to be forced into submission, 'shock and awe' will be the order of the day. Everyone inside will have a plenty of notice to come out and surrender.

    Do you remember some of the posters on the various boards were unhappy the cop killer was killed with a remote propelled bomb? If something major like that had been driven onto the Bundy property and denotated in a safe area as what would happen next, those folks would have come out of there running naked if they felt they need to.
     
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    The above sounds like an open advocacy for the federal government to kill anyone with a dissenting opinion, without having to be concerned with matters such as due process of law. Bear in mind that under the current administration, those that would be met with such force would be anyone who argues against the authority of Donald Trump. There are still three more years guaranteed for Donald Trump to remain president of the united states, with another four years being a possibility that much be considered.

    Could such actually be done under such circumstances? In a public area where mobility is a key issue, such as in a parking garage, it is one issue. Any weaponry possessed while on the move would have to be reasonably lightweight. In an area that can be adequately described as a "nest" where mobility is not a key issue, and one can simply hunker down securely, and would be able to have access to far more significant firepower as a result. How well would one of these robots fare if met with rifle fire of the thirty and even fifty caliber variety before it could ever get close to an area deemed adequate for detonation of an explosive device?

    Beyond that matter, the tactic being referred to by yourself is now public knowledge, meaning others would not fall for the same trick being utilized a second time.
     
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    This mess will only end when those types of Feds or LEO's are arrested and Jailed.
     
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    Lon Horuchi was never indicted.
     
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    More's the pity.
     

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