Charges: Masked Gunmen Invade Minneapolis Home and Rape Woman, Daughter

Yes, any executions(public or otherwise) DO deter crime. We know for a fact that those executed will never commit another crime. It's been proven many, many times with 100% certainty.

 

I answered your question. You were given the opportunity to clarify whether you'd still be caught up on making this a race neutral argument if it had been 3 whites breaking into a home and raping a 14 year old black girl and her mother.

 

Yeah. No.

If you can't name names of these "some libertarians" all I can tell you is they're not libertarians. The progenitor of liberty is responsibility. You can't have one without the other. And the more you take of the latter, the more you will have - theoretically - of the former. Nobody who would explain away behavior as you have cited above can rightly call himself a libertarian.

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No, but I think if society is going to take the life of another human being, we ought to have the stomach to watch it.

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Which Republicans said that?

 

Let's make public execution the offense for every single crime then. We'll have a 0% recidivism rate.

 

I don't agree with lynching and other extra-judicial punishment, but it was done specifically in situations like these. It happened to both whites and blacks, but mostly blacks. Just as I'm sure black people would have a bigger problem with whites coming into their neighborhoods and raping their wives and daughters than if their own race perpetuated the attacks, whites had a big problem with the idea of blacks doing this kind of thing to their wives and daughters. And it worked. This kind of attack would have been huge news 70 years ago, because these kinds of attacks simply didn't happen. Now they are so common that the media barely even mentions them (and downplays them for political purposes).

 

Of course, you are going to throw out your silly ass left-leaning argument. No, let's execute those who have proven themselves to be beyond redemption. Jaywalking and shoplifting are not the same as the predators among us.

 

I disagree. I was having conversations over the weekend with a "libertarian" who routinely makes excuses for black criminality. It's all based on a lack of resources, you see, as well as systemic discrimination and bigotry. The proof is that in Africa there are bonobos and chimpanzees, where one is violent because of a lack of resources and the other is not. This same libertarian also defends Islamic terrorists as little more than victims lashing out at the West, who is the real culprit and evildoer.

But that's the problem with calling someone a "libertarian". You would have absolutely no idea what they stood for politically. Some want open borders, some do not. Some want the legalization of all drugs, some don't. Some consider themselves left-wing, others right-wing. Some are really into social justice and advocating for minorities, others are not. It's largely a meaningless term.

 

How does one prove themselves to be "beyond redemption"?

 

That would be decided by the courts of course. As for a hard and fast rule, there wouldn't be one, but to quote SC Justice Potter Stewart "I know it when I see it". And these three idiots fit the profile of beyond redemption. As do many others we keep trying to recycle at the expense of innocent citizens.

 

I don't think it should be based on subjectivity. Certain crimes should be an automatic death sentence. Rape, murder, and child molestation being the 3 that come immediately to mind. If someone engages in one of these, they are too far gone already to exist in society.

 

When three rabid subhumans break into a house and threaten to burn somebody with an iron, dunk them in a tub of boiling water, or kill them ...because of a few dollars ...they are beyond redemption.

When those same savage feral pieces of filth then take to raping children they are (*)(*)(*)(*)ing BEYOND REDEMPTION.

Theses uncivilized untamed beasts need to be killed in this manner:

 

This one always seemed like the worst to me:



They performed this while the victim was upside down, so the blood would remain in the head and loss would not cause unconsciousness for a long time.

 

Well there's three of them so we can try a few things out ...see what works best.

 

I lived in Minneapolis for a lot of yrs. Loved it when I was single, but after marriage and 3 kids, husband & I got our kids out of there b/c it was getting to big and to mean AND especially when the city told us our kids would be bussed to N. Mpls (where there had always been racial tension) after we bought our home way south out of the city, into the suburbs and wanted our kids to go to the school that was only 2 blocks away and had a good reputation.....

We moved out here into the Pacific NW, a small community w/neighborhood schools, an hr from the ocean. It is a very liberal state, but at that time, didn't care - wanted my kids in a small community and I'm a nature nut - love the awesome beauty of nature here. The only thing I missed about Mpls was friends I left behind. They tell me that city has really turned into Muslim city..........

I can't tell you how much I hate that bussing (*)(*)(*)(*). Parents should have the right to send their kids to the school of THEIR choice, not the city government!

 

Sadly and it is documented over and over that many Black women and girls expect to be raped by these street thugs from time to time. These poor government dependent Black women can't call the hated police and accuse these guys of anything unless they want to be killed .

I don't think that the Black girls that are routinely raped and abused like it but those who live on the streets may not be as traumatized or in fear of their lives as the random white girl or the Black girls not living in the hood..

Today on our college campuses the college officials are asking the girls not to call the police. And for the sake of their liberal god; don't commit the sin of even noticing the race of the rapist much less reporting the race to anyone.

If you focus on one particular group of people and forgive them ahead of time and make excuses for their actions do you think that that group will be more or less likely to abuse women on campus? Especially if the college official don't want the police involved?

 

Boiling in oil would be preferable. However, a Lockheed C-141 Starlifter can carry 154 passengers. To clear Death row in quickly, simply load them into a C-141, fly it out a hundred miles or so into the ocean. Every prisoner gets a weight chained to their leg manacles. Once the desired distance is reached, everyone gets their last words and prayer if they are so inclined then out ya go.



Like the pallet.

 

You're absolutely right - they have no conscience, no soul. Savages like these should be put to death asap after their guilt was proven in a court of law. They shouldn't be entitled to room & board paid for by taxpayers......

 

I challenge you to do the same on the subject of SSM. But who am I kidding, of course you won't. Hypotheticals is all you have left on that subject.


To stay on topic of this thread, these ass hats should be hung by their balls for a week then executed.

 

Reading stories like this gives me a strangely sick pleasure of wanting to torture (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s like this, not kill them.

 

As another poster pointed out, where in this article that is linked in the OP does it state the race of the victims, but nevertheless, an act of violence, violation and hate is terrifying regardless of the color of the victim's skin. It is pure stupidity and lack of empathy to imagine otherwise.

 

I think the lack of its mention is an indication? As usual, when its white on black crime, the races are always known. When its the other way around, the info is conventionality shrouded in mystery.....by design.

Like the white cop flipping the black student in the desk, who wouldn't leave the class. All over the news. WHAT a terrible tragedy. But a week or so earlier in the same school, a black cop has a literal boxing match with a black student and not a peep.

 

Excellent point.......

 

I was being figurative - mostly. However, I do believe the punishment should fit the crime. Give someone a shot and they fall asleep forever seems like a humane way of lethal dispatch. But what about the terror they cause in their victims? I think there should be some element of retributive justice. Perhaps it should involve some element of the crime committed - you raped and sodomized? Well here's this little machine we got that's gonna get real intimate with you. And it's going on Youtube for your mother to see.... Meh.

 

So do you support capital punishment as a libertarian?

 

Words have meaning. I can call myself Tiger Woods but it doesn't make me Tiger Woods. Your friend is no libertarian.

Sounds like a Marxist progressive to me.

It's not a meaningless term. It is however a misused term - both inadvertantly by people who don't understand its meaning, and intentionally by those who wish to discredit it. Libertarianism - at its essence - is the belief that man yearns to be free and that liberty is the sole material that empowers individuals. It is the belief that there is a continuum; a natural and mandatory nexus between personal freedom and individual responsibility. It wholly rejects collectivism and the initiation of force against citizens - both by other citizens and by government - which is probably the most significant departure from other political belief systems. Most people are happy to have their government initiate force against others whose beliefs and viewpoints differ from theirs: NOT libertarians. We could care less if you agree with us or not as long as you do not infringe on our liberties or those of our neighbors. You can expect the same in return. From that flows a government whose powers are derived solely from the consent of the governed and with powers limited strictly to the preservation and defense of liberty. But don't take my word for it. Here is probably the best definition of libertarianism I've come across:

“Libertarianism is the view that each person has the right to live his life in any way he chooses so long as he respects the equal rights of others. Libertarians defend each person’s right to life, liberty, and property – rights that people possess naturally, before governments are created. In the libertarian view, all human relationships should be voluntary; the only actions that should be forbidden by law are those that involve the initiation of force against those who have themselves used force – actions like murder, rape, robbery, kidnapping, and fraud.”

– David Boaz, Executive Vice President, Cato Institute
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I believe libertarianism is the most rational, objective means by which to preserve the natural rights of all consenting adults to the greatest extent possible. It means that sometimes we may have to put up with some behavior we don't particularly care for but ultimately does not harm us - far preferable to the alternative in my view. Anything we ask our government to do beyond that gets us out on some pretty thin branches.

I'll add to that my personal belief that government should also perform such functions to which it is uniquely-suited. Things like building roads, municipal water systems, electrical grids and necessary public infrastructure, printing money, defending the nation (and the borders, of course for without them there is no nation to speak of), and other things that are pragmatically only achievable by some acceptable initiation of force (ie, the government has to take some of your money in the form of taxes to build the road that all can use collectively).

But the core of libertarianism remains first and foremost individual liberty, self-determination, and to a large extent self-governance. This requires the smallest possible government to accomplish the things I listed above, and the least intrusive government into citizens' private lives and personal matters. YMMV.