Charges: Masked Gunmen Invade Minneapolis Home and Rape Woman, Daughter

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  1. Bow To The Robots

    Bow To The Robots Banned at Members Request

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    Of course. That should be obvious.
     
  2. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

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    Not a friend.

    I completely agree with you.

    Libertarianism was largely synonymous with anarchy for most of its existence. It's only recently that it has become used by those on the right. It's still a subjective term. Some libertarians do not share your views on borders, for example.. They believe that the idea of a country drawing borders and applying force is fundamentally wrong. They believe that US citizens should be legally allowed to hire Mexican day laborers who cross the border, if both the citizen and day laborer enter into a mutual agreement. The Government keeping that day laborer out, or from working for a wage, is disrupting the market force on labor. Your view on borders even violates the Cato institute quote you listed, as "all human relationships" are no longer on a voluntary basis.

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    No, it's not obvious, as many, if not most libertarians, do not believe the Government should have the right to end somebody's life.
     
  3. Bow To The Robots

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    Acquaintance? :smile:

    Sorry about that. LOL.

    I disagree completely. It is simply the belief that individual liberty should be the primary focus of governance in a nation of free men. Anarchy means simply "do whatever the hell you can get away with, consequences be damned." That necessarily includes infringing on another's liberty and initiating force against them, unchecked. Libertarianism is just the opposite - it means government is obliged to defend liberty. Sometimes that means initiating force against those who have infringed on the rights of others.

    Well, the Right has claimed ownership of this myth of "limited government" so it's only natural.

    Sure. But what isn't? Barry Goldwater was practically a commie next to Reagan, for example, and GWB's spending habits probably made Ted Kennedy envious. Yet they all belong to the conservative pantheon.

    A fair point. However, without a border there is no nation. I have to disagree with those libertarians who believe in no borders - as I stated above I believe it is part of the public infrastructure. And I have to disagree with your last point: by voluntary, I mean that you or I can not be compelled to associate or be obliged by any person I wish not to be. I do not view having a border as a violation of this philosophy and I don't believe that's how it was meant by Cato, either.

    Again, maybe you could name names here. For my part, I said that it is appropriate for government to initiate force against a person who has initiated force against their fellow citizen and infringed on their rights. If I kill you, I have clearly initiated force and infringed on your rights. It is entirely proper, and in fact necessary, for government to enforce consequences as that is the only means by which it may defend liberty.

    Also, I'd think my endorsement of public hangings would have tipped you off. :wink:
     
  4. Hummingbird

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    Please, if you're gonna quote something, be honest about it - ok?

    It wasn't 'republicans' that said that - it was ONE moron republican politician......and no, I'm NOT a republican.
     
  5. Doug_yvr

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    It doesn't matter what the race of the victim is, white and black men both rape women. Neither race can claim the high ground. 65% of forcible rapes are committed by white men according to 2012 DOJ statistics. Since whites make up 63% of the US population that means white men rape in proportion to their population in the US.
     
  6. Brewskier

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    False. "White" rape statistics include Hispanics. Do you see a Hispanic column anywhere in the stats?

    And when it comes to white and black interracial rape, it's 100% a one sided affair.
     
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    Link please!
     
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    Source is here.
     
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    sorry, let me quote that republican for you "“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.'
     
  10. Hummingbird

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    Yes, I remember what the brain dead politician said and it was one person - singular, not plural. If it had been a brain dead Democrat that said that, I'd be saying the same thing....it was ONE,person, not ALL.
     
  11. Professor Peabody

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    Gee thanks. When it comes to population Blacks account for 13.2% of the population, but account for 32.5% of the rapes.
     
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    And yet a vast amount of politicians that represent the right wing believe that a female should be forced to have the child of her rapist.

     
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    I know, I've kept up with Mpls & no way I'd live there today. Loved it there. Lots to do, people were great and plenty of opportunity.

    Bussing was another one of those misguided "well intentioned" social engineering policies our esteemed leaders love to implement under the "common good" flag. And once they do it just stays implimented....forever. Kinda like those 1 cent sales taxes cities try & sell as "only temporary until XYZ project is paid for" that never go away.
     
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    Yeah and when it comes to raw numbers, more people are raped by white.

    Either way the the family cares more about the fact that this crime happened at all than the race of people who committed it.
     
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    Probably wrong there. According the FBI Blacks account for about 4500 rapes per year and Whites about 9000 where Whites essentially mean anybody that is not Black and does not include Hispanics as distinct category.
     
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    Too bad they were liberals and didn't believe in arming themselves.
     
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    Prove it.
     
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    Life in prison is unethical as well as unwise. There's always a risk that they may be released again or they may escape. It also costs a lot of money to keep people locked up, which not only re-offends the victims but offends the entire public. We can't be sure of whether our economy will always be as healthy as it is now. Things could go south really fast for reasons we aren't aware of. I hope I never bare witness to such a calamity that prisons across America begin shutting down due to lack of funds/resources/whatever and start releasing all of the inmates into the streets, even those previously convicted of one or more life sentences. The only way to make sure bad people like these thugs never rape or murder again is to execute them. Letting them live condones the bad things they've done.
     
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    Well, that's their problem. But you can't say that a liberal would never think that b/c they certainly do. I have some lib neighbors - 1 idolizes Obama - and those women and I have had that discussion a couple times. I've told them I would never force my daughter to have a rapist and or pg by incest baby and the discussion got pretty heated every time. One time the one who really worships Obama said "After all, it is a human life." By that time I'm pist b/c she tried to put me on a guilt trip, which didn't work and shouted back "So is my daughter!".....won't waste my time discussing serious topics w/them again....what gets me is those liberal women all have daughters themselves.
     
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    you see, I was responding to a post saying all liberals would defend this, I sarcastically said then all republicans would do this..... and only then did you get it.... seems I have gotten my point across
     
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    I am fine with lwop, in fact I consider it the worse punishment of the two

    I would put them in a small cell, no yard time or anything like that.... for life

    not only that but if they are later found not guilty, you can undo lwop

    http://www.forejustice.org/wc/ray_krone_JD_vol2_i9.htm
     
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    I thought white means white, not "anybody that is not black." And it doesn't make a difference whether the white is hispanic or not.

    Yeah, because good guys with guns always beat bad guys with guns in the real world, always.

    Something like 65% of the rapists are white...so unless black rapists always go 2 at a time, it's safe to say more people are raped by whites.
     
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    So giving me your opinion again after I ask for proof is acceptable to you? I was looking for a source that substantiates your claim. I know that FBI Uniform crime statistics lumps whites and Hispanics together in their data, so I'd like to see proof that whites alone are committing 65% of the rapes.
     
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    Doesn't matter. They also lump whites from Texas and whites from California together.
     
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    So it doesn't matter, in your argument that whites commit 65% of the rape, that Hispanics are thrown in? Why not just throw in blacks and Asians while we are at it? Maybe you just aren't able to substantiate your claim with anything other than your say so?
     

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