Cheering for Muslim entry ban: IS celebrating Trumps policy

In this country they certainly don't like review of the vetting procedures. Plus they are acting and talking like them.

 

No, I'm not. Let's drop it please because we're not getting anywhere.

 

Obama hates America, thats why his heroes are bill ayers, sharpton and reverend wright. Thats why he let our nation be infiltrated with people who want to kill us. And you cite a brain. Too funny. He hates America and so do his bile like ilk.

 

But throwing dirt like mad on each other and accusing each other for worth things they like ... both sides.

 

Yeah, no travel ban, just continue to destroy infrastructure and civilians. Which is fine. But that doesn't mention the other 6 countries which he bombed. A ban will bring nothing, but starting wars in other countries is fine? It all depends on what you want to achieve, but I think a ban is less aggressive than bombing. Don't get me wrong, I expect Trump to be bombing places too. Just amusing that a ban gets more reaction than a bomb.

Who said it was wrong?

I never claimed an error. Where did I say Obama should not have done what he did or it was wrong? You're making (*)(*)(*)(*) up now. I said Obama did it, and I'm saying Trump continues.... I did not pass judgement.

OK, what are you hoping the answer will be? It benefits us? Sure, but it benefits us now and for the last 8 years and beyond. This isn't a Trump thing which is the point you are missing, but you're trying to make it a Trump thing because "Trump's bad, mkay"

There's that blame thing again. I never blamed Obama.

I have no issues with that. If we are going to call out all predecessors, then yes - we also call out trump. So, to not be hypocritical, did you call out all previous POTUS when they continued to work with SA? If not, then there's no reason to call out Trump for continuing to work with them...

Exactly.
It has nothing to do with Trump per se, and everything to do with continuing policy in the ME.
If a democrat supporter wants to call out Trump on this issue, then they must also not be defending their own party for similar "unfairness" in the middle east.

I don't have an issue with people suggesting that Trump hasn't sanctioned SA or other partners that are in the US interest .. because they are in the US interest. I think it's amusing and lacks substance to say Trump is doing it only for his own benefit considering the history of the area with the US.

 

The continually heard and reading accusation that Obama hates his own country. Why? Because he did things or not, the political rights were bad and disgruntled.



Now Trump is in power and his opponents, the politically left makes the same accusations that trump his country hates ... strange.
But it is not strange that the political rights of course, like their new model, react very thinly to any criticism and even tried to blame the Trump made BS like this idiotic and senseless Ban even partly on Obama as his guilt ... just from the failure trumps to deflect from facts.

In core again: Trump wants to make America safer with this ban to prevent that terrorist - particularly from ISIS - can enter the USA. His own reasoning for it...
So ... why does not come a single of the terrorists responsible and doing last dozens of attacks of ISIS, Al Qaida, Taliban, Hezbollah come from one of these 7 countries, but from countries not being on the list and so still being able to travel into the USA as before?

 

LOL, only one side are rioting, breaking windows, flipping cars, throwing fire bombs, and making death threats publicly.

 

As far as I am aware, it's based on passport. So if you are a Yemeni christian, you can't come in. Please update me if incorrect, but if you read the executive order I see no mention of the word muslim.

Have a look at https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...migration-ban-syria-muslims-reaction-lawsuits
First hit in google for me on my proxy.

Shocking. A few people who might have a real claim to travel are temporarily inconvenienced...
However if you check the facts you will find that "on Sunday night, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced that some “legal permanent residents” who pose no “serious threat” to the US would be allowed in on a case-by-case basis. It is unclear whether this would extend to those in possession of work or student visas. " Whether or not the CinC is covered here, I don't know.

Yes, we've covered that. They haven't been on the list or been bombed for a long time - not just because Trump has taken office.

Because I don't see why a ban on an essentially long standing list of nations is worse or causes more uproar than bombing the same long standing list of nations. Seems to me like double standards. We excuse civilians being killed to "collateral damage", but we don't excuse them to live but not fly to one country in the world?

 

Really? I must only look on the extreme righties in the USA under Obama to know that they can do same at least.
Maybe the protestors now are more violent, maybe not ... any riot and violence at protests is BS, no matter who it is. But to blame only one side to be so and ignoring that own extremist side did too in the past is lame.

 

I do not support the creation of puppet governments just for the sake of them being in your sphere of influence, I am not the embodiment of the West. You act as if the actions of the West has a direct effect on how Islam is practised, it does not. They didn't change the book, they didn't write in that they were going to do X and Y because of the West, no. That's the religion, it is prone to extremism. Islam needs a reformation and without a reformation it just a cancer on this earth.

You know as well as I that any war in this history of mankind has always creates civillian casualities, that is just the way it is and it is unavoidable. Sometimes it's even a means to an end, if you put your weapons in a hospital and expect the other side to do nothing, you are mistaken. The people captured by the Americans were terrorists and they deserved whatever torture was coming their way.

Islam has major problems and you are ignoring and dismissing it just because you are offended. Look at Iraq, they are fighting ISIS with the West, look at the Kurds, look at the Syrian government fighting against Islamic extremism as well. They are not content with their lot in life and they are fighting back with the West, understanding that their opponents are the problem and not the West.

 

Of course, never happened against Obama. Lefties are truly melting down. Look at the tea party protests. The left was violent then also. The tea party protesters left areas cleaner than when they came. They respected the system in law unlike the left.

 

Trump is enforcing our constitution. If anyone calls that hate for America then they are factually incorrect. Preventing terrorists from entering the nation is the correct idea. Letting them in is treason. Maybe you could explain why Obama had no issues with letting terrorists in our borders and maybe you could explain why he didnt heed the warnings about the marathon bombers. Please explain why that isnt hate for your country.

 

So violating fundamental core values and content of constitution is suddenly enforcing?
Boston Marathon issue ... well, OK: Incompetence of homeland security at least and if you blame Obama administration about that these 2 brothers from Chechnya could enter the USA ... then ask yourself please, why Chechnya is not on ban list of Trump now! Is he maybe doing the same BS as Obama before ... but you blame only Obama for doing nothing and excusing Trump only by doing same error now too?

 

What core value are you talking about? Protecting America and its borders is defined. But let's have you on record exactly to see just what it is to see you have issue with what he is doing then we will fact check it. Please be specific.

 

Let's start with something simple ... the idiotic ban on time against 7 Islamic states in terms of entry of their people into the USA.

One of the core values of the US is that all people (all, not just US Americans !!!) have the right to freedom, dignity and equality, to truth, conscience and freedom of religion.
Of course you (and many others) now justify the whole ban ... as already done... with the security interest of the USA. In short, with this ban, you want to protect against 7 Islamic states from Islamic terror. No one denies that the US is allowed to protect itself and to take appropriate, and above all, effective and legal measures.
Of course there is the accusation that this is only directed against Muslims, which is not true, because it is against all people from these countries.
A Christian family from Syria, who had managed to flee from the ISIS controlled areas where they were killed because of their faith, have been sent back to the ME ... simply because they are Syrians. Is it not the American values to give refuge to those persecuted, who also share the religion of most Americans? Or is it equivalent to American values to send such people back into the dead?

Finally, I would like to come back to the real benefit of this ban, because does it really protect America for Islamic terror?

After September 11, 2001, some 100 people on the territory of the United States have fallen victim to Islamist-motivated terrorist attacks, not a single offender came from the seven currently politically and economically relatively weak states. Indeed, if securities were to play a role, countries such as Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Lebanon would have to be subject to a travel stop ... not to ask why not Pakistan and Afghanistan or are Taliban and Al Qaida from there suddenly no threat anymore?
However, this would seriously damage the strategic and economic interests of the US and make the fight against ISIS more difficult. In addition, critics accuse the President of a conflict of interest because his company holds interests in the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt and Indonesia.

 

Yeah...that means under our laws. People dont have the right to just walk in, plop down and beging collecting welfare. Do you agree?

 

would now be able to make quite a difference with my answer, if it is right under your laws to start a criminal war, which is the main reason that such people must flee. I could just as well ask the question, what is so suspicious of these Christian Syrians, that they represent an ISIS terror ...

No, I just want to focus on the question of whether such refugees are actually just parasites who want to live on your tax credits and therefore come to the USA?
The other American value of humanity seems to be in the trash can ... or?

 

Please answer my question. It was a yes or no.

 

And what was your question?

This depends on the true reason why they flee!
If they flee because in their country they say we earn $ 100 a month, but can live on it, but in the US get much more and live better, then no.

If they flee, as they have only the choice to be murdered in their own country or survive in the USA 8or elsewhere, then rather!
But even the latter should be given the permission to take care of their own existence ... means to work. But if you forbid that, then they can only live by the welfare, right?
I am opposed, however, to designate just the last sort of refugees as parasites of the own (US) society and welfare system!

 

Please dont quote me anymore until you answer

 

W H A T ????

I have answered you, or are you not able to read English. Bad for you that next to me sits a British who understood all (even the few grammar errors I did) and agrees that I have answered your question very well. So a matter of if you want to understand it or not only!

Or do British speak another language as you in the USA?

 

Please highlight your yes or no

 

Where was the outrage when the policies of Obama and Clinton brought death, destruction and misery to millions of Muslims across the entire middle east?

 

Good luck. Never get straight answers out of haji trolls

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Not to mention the original post (#1) is a lie. There is no ban on muslims. The travel ban is for nations. It's in the text and title of the order.