Chicago 2017: Homicide, Gun Control, LEO Gone Fetal And The DOJ

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by QLB, Jan 15, 2017.

  1. QLB

    QLB Well-Known Member

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    What you think doesn't count. BTW there is very little difference in self defense shooting with largely untrained civilians and LEO at distances from 5 to 15 feet. Democratic control would be much more effective.
     
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    Oh goodie. So you have a position. What kind of democrat control would you like? Be specific.....we are debating. Lol
     
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    Yeah...that's kind of what I thought. Lol
     
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    Did it do anything for them?
     
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    Again, you throw our the training as if it is a magic bullet, but you have been asked and fail to respond what that training curriculum should include. It's just throw away gibberish that you hope makes you sound authoritative... at least in your own mind.
     
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    As long as it is sufficiently onerous to dissuade even one law abiding citizen from owning a firearm he'd call it a success, and if it allows the arrest of non-violent gun owners, even better.
     
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    It does it for them everyday. We need to get onboard
     
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    You've yet to establish causal effect. Mainly because you can't, as it doesn't exist.
     
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    Don't need to. Show me where in the constitution that is required for a law
     
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    Bill of Rights, 2nd from the top.
     
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    Because most violent us cities have demographics like so many 3rd World Nations, you might understand that hardcore gun control laws in 3rd World nations like Mexico (where the whole nation only has one gun store ran by the police), is a massive failure.

    What would be more effective in cutting the murder rate in Chicago and Baltimore in half?
    A) law making everyone who has a gun take X hours of mandatory training and gun safety?
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    B) law forcing everyone found to be part of violent drug gangs in cities be arrested and mandated to be charged with Federal RICO and criminal conspiracy laws with 20 year minimum sentences?
     
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    Nope.
    I could be a hypocrite as I have carry in all States etc ....
    That should apply to all Citizens.
     
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    B. Now double your taxes. Ok that won't work. Back to gun control
     
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    Hardly.
     
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    NO. Once again we have the perfect example of what a failure gun control is.... and the gun control advocates keep retreating to "but...but....but.... it would WORK if we just did it nationally!"

    This is the same short-sighted argument we saw when Washington D.C's homicide rate began to skyrocket; that if only everyone had the same laws it would work; ignoring the fact that the demographically identical areas outside D.C. that did not have the draconian gun laws had homicide rates that were a fraction of what you saw in D.C. proper and kept declining even as D.C.'s rates kept climbing. It was a startling revelation only further supported by the DC v. Heller decision that overturned the city's self-defense ban, after which the homicide rate in D.C. dropped 24%.

    Gun control is a failed proposition; one that has no valid purpose except the undermining of the liberties of the American people.
     
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    No. Seeing as how NOT ONE of those first world nations has shown ANY improvement in public safety after enacting gun control. As I have posted elsewhere, the UK had exceedingly low homicide rates compared to the United States even when their gun laws were less restrictive than ours. Over the intervening decades, we see the UK enacting ever more restrictive laws and ending up with a net INCREASE in their homicide rates while the United States went down. All across Europe we see that no gun control law has ever contributed anything positive to their public safety statistics.
     
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    In the US states with lax gun laws have the most gun deaths per capita
     
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    There are contradictory studies on the subject. The ones NOT funded by gun control advocates find something else entirely; this includes studies by researchers with no affiliation with any advocacy group.
     
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    Nope. It's quite clear. It's easy to count the dead. You are wrong
     
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    Since you have clearly chosen to abandon civil discourse on the subject I won't waste my time with a childish "you're wrong!" "No, YOU'RE wrong!" exchange. In the end, despite your haughty pronouncements otherwise, you are nothing but a rabid gun control advocate utterly disinterested in inconvenient facts.... facts such as how there is not one single example of anywhere enacting stringent firearms regulations and seeing subsequent reductions in rates of homicide or criminal violence.
     
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    Thank God for the ignore button, eh?
     
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    The Dems really don't want the 'gun problem' solved; it would remove a rallying cry for their elections. They know full well the 2A prevents much of the solution they advocate, but the call for gun control attracts many low information Pollyannas. The call fits their various agendas of vilifying the 'right wing republican' gun owners and aligns with the mission of increasing dependence on the Government. What I find humorous is they push dependence on the government and police for safety while simultaneously,and with extreme hipocracy, vilifying the police doing their jobs. The tactic is called segmented campaigning, targeting groups with messages that they want to hear while creating an enemy of perception of their opposition while knowing they don't have to deliver on their campaign promises. Yet, interestingly, the very gun control provisions they advocate disproportionally impact the very constituency, the poor and minorities, the purport to represent, the very ones they work to keep in a dependent relationship with their party.
     
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    You are incorrect and I simply politely pointed that out. If you can't handle being wrong......we all are sometimes....then perhaps civil debate is not for you
     

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