Chicago proves the NRA wrong

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  1. flogger

    flogger Well-Known Member

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    Your welcome sorry that the truth hurts :wink:
     
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    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    You act like what you think is the truth, or that it matters. It isn't, and it does not.
     
  3. An Taibhse

    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    But then, your knowledge of America is derived largely from Hollywood U. We saw you in Clint’s movie English Bob, ranting on the superiority of John Bull over Americans... worked out well didn’t it?
     
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    Yet another claim that cannot be demonstrated as being factually correct.

    If such were truly believed by yourself to be the case, it would have been concluded long ago that there is no point in attempting to address forum members who are from the united states, as it would make no difference what was said.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    So, you expect instant results for a problem that has festered the better part of a hundred years, eh?

    To think that Chicago crime is the result of guns is hopelessly naive. That narrative ignores the reality of government policies and priorities over the last 50 years that have allowed a festering problem grow to unmanageable proportions that short of emptying the city of residents and starting again will require decades to remedy, with one of the first steps is the recognition it isn’t a gun problem.
     
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    flogger Well-Known Member

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    No my knowlege of America comes from actuallly living there .... sorry if thats confusing :wink:
     
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    Sadly for you it actually does matter .... unless morality doesn't of course
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    You learned nothing, less than your time in NI. Your message is Americans bad, the rest of the world good. If this were a politics.ie forum, it’d be Irish bad everyone else good.
     
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    So I voluntarily chose to live with 'bad' people for two years ......... interesting perspective :crazy:
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    So, Americans are bad people? Consistent with the repetition of your Americans are bad theme. An interesting ethnocentric and myopic generalization for a perspective.
    I suppose you think the hostilities in NI that became known as the Troubles that erupted in the late ‘60s were instigated by the IRA pushing for a UI as well. The Irish... bad too.
     
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    Unless what occurred on the part of yourself was a forceful relocation to the united states which you had no say over.
     
  12. flogger

    flogger Well-Known Member

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    Well at least I don't try and pretend I'm a nationality I'm not in order to protect guns in the US :wink:
     
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    You guys are actually still going on about this totally BS thread? Chicago is a disaster, gun control failed. End of story.
     
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    How about you explain in direct terms your comment?....let’s see what you think you know, Mr I visited America so I am qualified to to hurl disparaging generalizations on an entire diverse population because they reside in America; pathetic, really.
    This thread is about Chicago, of which you know nothing. To you it’s just a vehicle to hurl insults at Americans.
     
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    Think you know what American's think do ya? Lefties always claim to be able to read minds. That way they don't have to worry about facts.
     
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    Maybe the silliest post in history on PF so far.

    Ever try to get a carry permit in the city of Chicago?

    https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/il/chicago/crime
     
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    What gives you that idea, punk?

     
  18. An Taibhse

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    I have found it humorous (and sad) that the violence in Chicago has risen to collective consciousness since 2016. Of course, despite their handgun ban and restrictive firearms laws, obviated by import of weapons from elsewhere according to GCAs and they Mayor, they still call for more draconian laws (despite Heller and McDonnald rulings) as a remedy.
    I lived in the Southside of Chicago when I first came to the US in the 70’s. I still have relatives there and a Chicago police captain as a brother and law there. The situation in Chicago was not some overnight development, the seeds to the current levels of violence were planted decades ago. My observation was that back in the late 60’s and early 70’s there were a handful of gangs competing for control, mostly in the Southside, for enterprises such as prostitution, extortion, and the heroin trade. In my recollection, the main gangs were Blackstone Rangers, the Black Gangster Disciples, Gaylord’s, Vice Lords, and the P-Stone Nation (closely affiliated with the Black Panthers). In the early 70’s the Latin Kings showed with an expansion of the drug trade which precipitated a more open conflict. In the Dem controlled City, the strategy seemed to be one of containment, keeping problems from more affluent areas and out of sight. Along with that strategy was a divestment in the afflicted areas, a reduction of LE resources in the areas (they were used for containment and to increase perceptions of safety in affluent areas). A revolving door of sending minorities to prison (gang and crime U) for minor offenses, combined with poverty and dwindling job opportunities, and an abandonment by the local and state government allowed the gang elements to operate with little real intervention and with the increase in drug trade, became mini crime empires and a patchwork of neighborhood gang oriented cultures. Over time the few gangs consolidated their empires and others grew in their peripheries, initially as a means of protecting their neighborhoods, but ultimately developing their own drug trade turfs. Where in the 70’s there were a handful of gangs, gang culture has grown and expanded to the West and near Northsides, operating under the same Dem strategies (contain and forget) for decades until now where, according to my Brother in Law, Chicago now has as many as 600 gangs and
    CBS’s take https://www.cbsnews.com/news/by-the-numbers-chicago-area-gangs/
    70,000 gang members.
    Anyone thinking this problem will be solved by increasing gun control is hopelessly naive. The problem is deeply ingrained, embedded in a myriad of local cultures and allowed to propagate by the City and State’s ‘Escape from New York’ strategies that has created a nightmare senario that will evade simple solutions and would take decades to mitigate. One major sustaining factor is the drug trade, it has provided the foundation for the financial base for gangs, the fuel for intergang violent conflict for control, and all the collateral crime and violence associated with the drug trade. IMO, the violence won’t be mitigated without destroying the financial underpinnings of the gangs. Kill the drug trade, hurt the gangs, damage their financial control. The war on drugs (a subject for another discussion) not only wasn’t effective, it actually increased the impact of the drug trade, just as prohibition did a century ago for certain elements. Perhaps the decriminalization of drugs will have an impact. But, regardless, no strategy will work without engagement of those directly and victimized in the neighborhoods and that won’t happen with a contain and forget strategy. Nor will draconian gun laws have an impact any more than the war on drugs has.
     

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