Chicago releases dash-cam video of fatal shooting after cop charged with murder

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by jones343434, Nov 24, 2015.

  1. Phoebe Bump

    Phoebe Bump New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2010
    Messages:
    26,347
    Likes Received:
    172
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Stopping the threat/minimum force - big diff.
     
  2. QLB

    QLB Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2015
    Messages:
    11,696
    Likes Received:
    2,019
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Wrong Phoebe, stopping the threat does not mean minimum force, especially when the perp has a deadly weapon. It means stopping the threat and if the perp happens to die in the process, then that's sort of tough.
     
  3. Labouroflove

    Labouroflove Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2009
    Messages:
    12,838
    Likes Received:
    6,852
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The shots fired when the suspect was prone are more than problematic, they display an intent to kill, kill without cause or rational reason.

    The question I have for the legal minds on this forum: legally, how long does it take to form the intent then act to be called "premeditated?"

    The man was on the ground for more than just a few seconds when the coup de grace was delivered. Was the pause in gun fire long enough to create premeditation? Did the Officer form the though to kill the man; internally saying:" I'm going to kill this man." is that enough for premeditation?

    Cheers
    Labour
     
  4. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2014
    Messages:
    32,222
    Likes Received:
    12,253
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What police academy did you attend? Can you please cite this?

    Officers are trained to use whatever force necessary to stop the threat. That doesn't mean shooting. It just whatever they can do to keep the public and themselves safe. Most of the time it is minimal force, like a tackle to the ground. Sometimes they have to resort to shooting.

    Can you please cite your source for what you've stated here? I did manpower studies for LEO's and I've never seen one academy that trained officers like that.
     
  5. Pred

    Pred Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2011
    Messages:
    24,355
    Likes Received:
    17,350
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Odds are he was probably dead as dead once he hit the ground, even though you see him moving and twitching a little. The initial shooting certainly isn't the key here. Reloading and shooting AGAIN? That is &$*#(@ up. If he gets nailed, its going to be for that, NOT the initial shooting which seemed pretty legit. He was facing them waving a knife after being told who knows how many times, to put it down. He didn't...BANG BANG!!! I accept that. Shoot him in the legs I guess is the only other option. Then he lives and goes on welfare for the rest of his life, AFTER he gets out of jail for the PCP. Starts robbing people and who knows what else. Good riddance to this filth. Too bad the cop shot him again. That seemed pretty damn stupid.
     
  6. Aphotic

    Aphotic Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2014
    Messages:
    13,595
    Likes Received:
    6,113
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Irrational apologist bs. This man has rights. Like it or not you cannot exempt those rights because he is high or broke the law. Innocent until proven guilty, right to a trial by jury of his peers. It's this mentality this absolutely grotesque excusal of state sanctioned murder that allows this bs to continue. Said it before. Pred you're part of the problem

    - - - Updated - - -

    Absolutely foul. He's a human being. He's also a citizen of the Union and has rights. You cannot excuse taking them away.
     
  7. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2015
    Messages:
    53,268
    Likes Received:
    25,270
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not true. It would be a travesty if the cop had not been charged with murder.

    Justice is being served very well in this case - I suspect you know that. ;-)
     
  8. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    153,331
    Likes Received:
    39,001
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    He was walking in front of them and then turned and spun around.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Who is "celebrating"
     
  9. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    153,331
    Likes Received:
    39,001
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It is not by minimum force it is by necessary force. The soot it self is not the problem here it is the shooting after be was down on the ground.
     
  10. highntight

    highntight Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2012
    Messages:
    3,260
    Likes Received:
    545
    Trophy Points:
    113
    no, he was headed away from the cops when he was spun around by two bullets, this is clear
     
  11. Habana

    Habana Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2013
    Messages:
    5,892
    Likes Received:
    1,570
    Trophy Points:
    113
    This is not a racism motivated event, to paint it as such does more harm than good. All races get wrongfully abused and killed by police. I'm sure there are instances where racism does play a factor but please provide evidence how it played a roll here.

    As to what happened. The cops were justified in shooting the guy. 10 ft is close enough with a knife to be a danger to the officers life. That distance can be closed in the blink of an eye. But the officers should have stopped firing once the guy was down. The immediate threat is no longer there, it's hard to close distance from a prone position. If a citizen shot a guy after he was down they would get a charge of manslaughter at the very least. It is appropriate to treat cops in the same manner.

    Does anyone know how many shots were fired after he hit the ground?
     
  12. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    153,331
    Likes Received:
    39,001
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Can you show me where you have a right to do PCP, terrorize people with a deadly weapon, destroy property, disobey the lawful orders of the police to drop the deadly weapon in your hand and continue to terrorize me and destroy property?

    See above.
     
  13. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2010
    Messages:
    153,331
    Likes Received:
    39,001
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    No he was walking in front perpendicular to them down the center and he stopped and spun around then appears to be hit by bullets not before.
     
  14. highntight

    highntight Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2012
    Messages:
    3,260
    Likes Received:
    545
    Trophy Points:
    113
    he was widening the gap and that is fact. the two shots spun his body around is also fact what do you have to refute this?
     
  15. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2011
    Messages:
    25,730
    Likes Received:
    8,773
    Trophy Points:
    113
    From the video, it looks like one round was enough to send him to the ground
     
  16. Aphotic

    Aphotic Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2014
    Messages:
    13,595
    Likes Received:
    6,113
    Trophy Points:
    113
    More apologist bs. None of you have proven to me that he doesn't have the right to a fair and unbiased trial. Moreover, pcp? Since we're talking drug law, maybe you would care to explain to me how it took a constitutional amendment to outlaw a consumable (alcohol) but none of the others had this requirement?


    Hipocrisy. This is sickening. Property can be replaced. People can my. The state doesn't have the right to just summarily executed civilians without due process, unless this already is nazi Germany.
     
  17. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Messages:
    16,718
    Likes Received:
    2,331
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Since the largest demographic in America is German, is the comparison to Nazi Germany so far off the mark?
     
  18. BPman

    BPman Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2014
    Messages:
    1,965
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    0
    All Germans were Nazis? :roll:
     
  19. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2012
    Messages:
    41,793
    Likes Received:
    14,697
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Emanuel holds others accountable on police shooting video, not himself.....

    The mayor of Chicago talked a lot about accountability just before he released the police video showing Laquan McDonald gunned down by a cop.

    But what of the mayor's accountability? He sat on the video for months. If voters had seen it, he wouldn't have been re-elected. So it all worked out for him.

    And where is the accountability of African-American politicos and others like the Rev. Jesse Jackson, so loud now, pointing their fingers and organizing meetings and demanding accountability from others?

    When it mattered, they were silent. They didn't demand that the video be released. Why?.....snip~

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...nald-video-kass-met-1125-20151124-column.html


    Rahm Emanuel.....never let a tragedy or crisis to go to waste. Did Tiny Dancer really think he could hide the politics of this issue?
     
  20. Battle3

    Battle3 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2013
    Messages:
    16,248
    Likes Received:
    3,012
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Plus the city paid the family $5 Million last year to keep them quiet. Emmanuel knew it would come out eventually, but now he has several years for people to forget or get bought off.
     
  21. doombug

    doombug Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2012
    Messages:
    56,871
    Likes Received:
    22,778
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So a drugged out thug carrying a knife gets capped and it is a big deal? What about the pregnant woman murdered in her own home?
     
  22. Battle3

    Battle3 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2013
    Messages:
    16,248
    Likes Received:
    3,012
    Trophy Points:
    113

    Partly true, but completely.

    The guy did not listen to the cops, but he was not a imminent threat, he was walking parallel to the cops and some distance from them.
     
  23. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2012
    Messages:
    41,793
    Likes Received:
    14,697
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    This is what Emanuel should be confronted with. Then pressed as to why he would try to use this to stir up tensions over Race.


    Editorial: Justice delayed becomes justice denied.....

    This is the video Mayor Emanuel and the Chicago Police Department tried so hard for more than a year to keep the public from seeing, saying their concern was to not compromise ongoing federal and local investigations. But the video was disturbing then and they knew it — they feared it. And it is no less disturbing now.

    Calling Van Dyke to account is easy. Calling our city to account is harder, and this should be the serious business of any protests in the next days or weeks. How is it that any Chicago police officer, right in front of at least eight other officers, would act in this way? Where is weakness in the department’s training and supervision? How is it that we live in a city in which any officer of the law would shoot down a young man as if he were a deer in the woods?

    So it goes when justice is delayed. After awhile, nobody is inclined to believe you.....snip~

    http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/7/71/1128794/wednesday-editorial
     
  24. Russ103

    Russ103 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2014
    Messages:
    7,595
    Likes Received:
    3,281
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It's not just SOP to "unload" on someone who's charging you but it's common fu*king sense as well. (I agree that shooting someone on the ground as in this case is certainly not right)
     
  25. krashsmith81

    krashsmith81 New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2014
    Messages:
    621
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    0
    EXACTLY. Cops subconsciously know the odds are higher of getting hurt/killed by a black thug than any other ethnic group, because the crime rate of blacks is higher than other groups. I don't say this with any sense of glee, it's sad really. If you noticed that 90% of the people you arrest on the job who give you a hard time (aka, shoot at you, punch you, etc) were people with freckles, you'd be a bit harsher on people with freckles. That wouldn't mean that all people with freckles were bad, just a higher percentage. Are there some cops who go out of their way to harass black people? I'm sure there are, and body cams would go a long way to help determine when this is happening. Instead, the Left chooses to never question the lifestyle that ultimatly leads to these shootings, AKA Micheal Brown.

    Remember him, the Gentle Giant (copyright, MSNBC) who robbed a convenience store then tried to grab a gun from a cop's hand? Remember how everyone said the cop was racist, then the trial and forensic evidence proved the cop did nothing wrong? Now we still have some people saying that it was a BS trial, and the forensic evidence somehow lied, and the jurors were all racist. The only problem is 6 of the jurors were African Americans, am I supposed to believe they were all uncle tom's or something?

    Same thing with Saint Trayvon, another role model citizen. I'm NOT saying these people deserved to die simply because they weren't angels, but when you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

    When someone can show me an actual true pattern of cops gunning down black people when it wasn't necessary to preserve their own life, THEN I'll be outraged. Until then, those of you who claim to be fighting racism are doing nothing but making it worse.

    Congratulations.
     

Share This Page