Chicago shootings put spotlight on Illinois gun laws

"The city does not have the toughest gun laws in the country, as some have claimed. But Illinois is ranked eighth among states with the strongest gun laws by the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence."

Despite a buffet of statutes,and pathetic attempts to blame CCW holders ,murders continue to rise.


Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/09/chicago-shootings-put-spotlight-on-illinois-gun-laws.html

 

Arm the law abiding citizens and you will find equilibrium that those neighborhoods need.

The 600 additional cops is only a tourniquet.

 

Less gun control is certainly not the solution. FFL's should be regulated at both the state and federal levels. The BATFE does not do an adequate job of regulating FFL's due to having their hands tied by NRA-influenced members of Congress. Most Chicago crime guns are obtained through straw purchases. Most Chicago crime guns come from other states where gun control is often more lax.

"In 2016, when adjusted for population, Chicago recovered 6 times as many guns per capita as New York and 1.5 times as many guns per capita as Los Angeles."

"Federally licensed firearms dealers ('FFL') in suburban Cook County and Illinois collar counties, as well as several located just across the state border in Indiana, are the primary source of illegal guns seized in Chicago."

"If charges were brought against the criminal possessor, in 91 percent of cases the offender was charged for illegally possessing a firearm; more than half of those arrests were categorized as gang-involved by CPD. Finally, in 95 percent of cases where CPD was able to identify the possessor of the crime gun, that individual was not the original, lawful purchaser of the firearm based upon the ATF record at the initial point of purchase."

"In Illinois, burglaries at FFLs located outside of Chicago almost tripled from 2015 to 2016.31 From investigative experience, the ATF discerned that guns stolen from FFLs are 'almost assuredly destined for criminal use in the immediate area of the theft.'32 To deter and mitigate FFL thefts, ATF issues recommendations to dealers such as installation of alarm and video recording systems, regular inventory and reporting requirements, and properly securing firearms."

"A 2014 analysis determined that a state licensure requirement over gun dealers had an independent impact on lowering firearm homicide rates.34 Additionally, the research concluded that permitting audits of gun dealer inventory lowered gun-related homicides.35 When coupled together, adoption of these two provisions is associated with significantly reduced firearm homicide rates.... Although one might presume that existing federal regulations render the additional layer of oversight at the state level futile, adding in state and local law enforcement could greatly enhance regulatory enforcement over gun dealers. Since 1986, absent a warrant, Congress has limited ATF’s ability to conduct gun dealer inspections to a single annual compliance audit.39 Citing a lack of resources, the U.S. Office of the Inspector General found that ATF actually inspects a surprisingly small portion, or roughly 5 percent of the more than 50,000 FFLs in the U.S. each year. Finally, federal law also prohibits ATF from requiring FFLs to submit to regular firearm inventory inspections."

"The Chicago Police Department has consistently traced close to 60 percent of its crime guns to other states. The data speaks for itself, but additional gun offender surveys and time to crime recovery analyses indicate that states with lax gun laws like Indiana and Mississippi are a primary target for gang members and their gun trafficker source buyers."

"Chicago remains uniquely vulnerable to interstate firearms trafficking due to surrounding states with weak regulations over the primary and secondary gun sale markets, including Indiana, Wisconsin, and Kentucky. Not just Chicago, but the nation, needs a national response to meaningfully deter illegal gun trafficking and the subsequent gun violence that follows in its wake."
https://www.cityofchicago.org/content/dam/city/depts/mayor/Press Room/Press Releases/2017/October/GTR2017.pdf

 

Certainly seems Chicago is the dunce of the class. I wonder what their problem is.

 

Are you against other states being sovereign? You take issue with guns coming from other states, what is your solution?

 

agree...and they do what most of the democrat run hell holes do - allow those who have illegal guns and ues them to walk

“According to their internal review, 74 victims of gun violence in the city this year would have still been in jail for illegal gun possession if tougher sentencing rules were in place. Almost everyone charged with the crime receives the one-year minimum, the Sun-Timesfound, compared to the maximum sentence of three years.

On the other end of the barrel, 86 shooting suspects would also have been in jail on the same charge had they been given harsher sentences.

The bare minimum is that gun possession should be treated as a violent crime.

- Anthony Guglielmi, spokesperson, Chicago PD

“The data underscore why we need to create a culture of accountability for those who engage in gun violence,” said Anthony Guglielmi, a spokesperson of the department, of the police analysis.

The implications of the department’s analysis are notable because they pit two core progressive talking points against each other.

On the one hand, progressives have long called for stricter gun laws in hopes of cutting down on gun violence in the wake of mass shooting after mass shooting.

With the majority of Chicago’s gun violence concentrated in the majority-black South Side, a higher mandatory minimum for illegal gun possession would most likely affect the city’s black community disproportionately. It could mean hundreds of black men receiving longer jail sentences every year.

But according to the police department, if 160 people had stayed in jail for longer last year, the streets would have been that much safer. As such, it seems there’s a strong public safety argument to be made for higher mandatory minimums.

Through October 5, there have been 2,249 shooting victims and 370 murders in Chicago this year, a 21% rise over the same period of 2014, reported the Sun-Times.”

http://fusion.net/story/213186/74-p...t-year-had-just-served-time-for-a-gun-charge/

 

the CRIMES are committed by mostly men using illegal guns...when they are caught too many walk free...this is the problem and always has been

“According to their internal review, 74 victims of gun violence in the city this year would have still been in jail for illegal gun possession if tougher sentencing rules were in place. Almost everyone charged with the crime receives the one-year minimum, the Sun-Timesfound, compared to the maximum sentence of three years.

On the other end of the barrel, 86 shooting suspects would also have been in jail on the same charge had they been given harsher sentences.

The bare minimum is that gun possession should be treated as a violent crime.

- Anthony Guglielmi, spokesperson, Chicago PD


http://fusion.net/story/213186/74-p...t-year-had-just-served-time-for-a-gun-charge/


the MAYOR and the Courts own the problem

 

Guns coming ILLEGALLY from other states - that is, in violation of FEDERAL law.

The anti-gun left refuses to understand that federal law negates this argument.

 

Straw purchases are illegal acts and constitute felony offenses. The fact that they are carried out does not mean the federally licensed firearms dealer is at fault in any fashion.

Which is also an illegal act. Perhaps the city of Chicago should examine why there is so much demand for firearms in their city. Without demand, there is no supply.

From the ATF itself.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/undefined/2016tracestatsillinoispdf/download

According to their findings, thirty four percent of the total number of firearms traced were originally sold in the state of Illinois, making it the state responsible for the largest number of firearms found in the possession of prohibited individuals. The next largest amount was approximately eleven percent, could be traced to the state of Indiana. From there the numbers begin dropping sharply into the one perfect region.

This means the state of Illinois is responsible for more firearms in the hands of criminals than any other state with supposedly "weaker" firearm-related restrictions in place.

Again, with the largest amount originating within the state of Illinois itself, making the state the source of its own problems.

Then it is a matter of the prohibited individuals themselves not being charged for their crimes, rather than the actions of federally licensed firearm dealers.

First the blame is directed at those who are actually engaged in criminal activity. Now the blame is being directed at federally licensed firearm dealers who have done nothing wrong, other than being the victims of crime. Which one is it?

The entirety of the above is nothing other than false nonsense. The article being cited by yourself even states that charges are not being brought against the majority of those who illegally possess firearms within the city.

According to the findings of the ATF itself, the states of Indiana and Mississippi are not the problem. The problem lays with the city of Chicago itself.

There are already significant laws in place in the untied states to deter illegal firearms trafficking, and firearm-related violence. The problem lays in the fact that they are not being enforced in the majority of the cases.

 

Indeed.
If you live in IL, drive across the line to IN, buy a gun, and drive with it back to IL, you have committed a federal felony.

 

New evidence confirms what gun rights advocates have said for a long time about crime

Lawful gun owners commit less than a fifth of all gun crimes, according to a novel analysis released this week by the University of Pittsburgh.

In the study, led by epidemiologist Anthony Fabio of Pittsburgh's Graduate School of Public Health, researchers partnered with the Pittsburgh Bureau of Police to trace the origins of all 893 firearms that police recovered from crime scenes in the year 2008.




They found that in approximately 8 out of 10 cases, the perpetrator was not a lawful gun owner but rather in illegal possession of a weapon that belonged to someone else. The researchers were primarily interested in how these guns made their way from a legal purchase — at a firearm dealer or via a private sale — to the scene of the crime.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...long-time-about-crime/?utm_term=.385919895295

 

How many of you are sincerely interested in saving lives? How many of you merely want to reduce Chicago's misfortunes to a convenient talking point to support your own morally questionable agenda?

I am open to considering all potential solutions to Chicago's gun violence problem. More police patrolling the streets is a good idea. More violent criminals being arrested and locked up is good. FFL's need to be more strictly regulated. Crime guns are disproportionately coming from a small number of dealers which raises suspicions about such dealers being complicit in illegal gun transactions. The state can play a valuable role in regulating dealers and making sure their inventory does not just "vanish". Most crime guns in Chicago are trafficked from other states.A nationwide one gun a month law can reduce such trafficking. I am open to discussing and considering all potential solutions.

 

Projection?

Why not simply focus on how to best address all manner of violence in the city of Chicago? Focusing on firearms makes no difference when a significant portion of the populace sees nothing wrong with killing one another without provocation. When one is willing to murder another person for the sake of their shoes, watch, or any other commercially available good, that is a far more serious problem than access to firearms.

Except no good can come of such when the courts are refusing to prosecute offenders for the various offenses they commit. The city of Chicago routinely drops firearm-related charges rather than pursue them at trial.

First it must be proven conclusively, beyond reasonable doubt, that federally licensed firearm dealers are knowingly and deliberately contributing to firearms trafficking in open defiance of existing firearm-related restrictions.

Suspicion is not the same of evidence. If actual evidence of illegal activity was had, the ATF would pull the license of these dealers, and they would no longer be able to sell firearms. The very fact their licenses are still valid means no evidence of wrongdoing has been found, or otherwise does not exist.

Is there any evidence that can be presented, to show that such is actually happening, and to what extent it is happening?

Which is not the fault of anyone except those who are motivated by money to actually engage in federal-level firearm-related offenses. The states themselves are not at fault for exercising their authority as they see fit. If they wish to have no firearm-related restrictions and instead rely exclusively on the firearm-related restrictions that exist at the federal level, that is within the scope of their authority.

National-level firearm-related restrictions being implemented in the hope that it will address what is ultimately nothing more than a local problem? Such is not going to come to pass. The same patterns of violence are not occurring throughout the nation, therefore it is an isolated problem and should be dealt with at the level of the state at most, and the city of Chicago itself. If there is a significant demand for firearms in the city, then they should look at who is supplying the funding for the trafficking of firearms. Remove those who are presenting the demand from the equation, and the supply will ultimately dry up.

 

wow, you managed to bash the NRA , praise Chicago's failed crime control and blame everyone else for the failure...you want federal level action but at the same time oppose national right to carry pleading 'states rights'.....there is something intellectually and morally wrong with continually advocating regulating the law abiding in the name of controlling the actions of criminals

 

This entire discussion is completely irrelevant now. 3D printers are getting cheaper and better every year and the specs for making a gun are already out on the interwebz.

 

You obviously are NOT "open to considering all potential solutions". You refuse to acknowledge that Chicago's totalitarian gun policies have created a cesspool where criminals have all the guns they want and the honest citizenry is disarmed and helpless. You refuse to acknowledge the complicity the corrupt Democratic leadership has through its ties to the criminal enterprises of Chicago going all the way back to the days of Prohibition, and they actually enable the gangs to hold onto control of the streets. You refuse to acknowledge their policies have so weakened the police department - to the extent they don't even patrol parts of the city and won't go into others - that entire sections of the city have no civil authority infrastructure whatsoever, and a call to 911 is guaranteed to provide you zero police response. You ignore all of that... and call for greater regulation of licensed firearms dealers.

Utterly disgusting.

 

this is what happens when criminal justice fails in a land with gun control

Brazil murder rate breaks records with more than 60,000 killed last year


https://news.sky.com/story/brazil-m...ith-more-than-60000-killed-last-year-11469085

 

What totalitarian gun policies? Chicago's handgun ban was invalidated. So why don't we see evidence of the good guys with guns stopping the bad guys with guns? It appears that more guns is not really a solution at all.

 

Are you really expecting law abiding armed citizens to enforce the laws in the cesspools of Chicago when the cops won't even do that? Nothing changes in the ghettos.

 

But 6Gunner falsely claimed that Chicago had become a cesspool because of totalitarian gun laws.

I have been reading about Illinois gun laws. You need a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card from the state police in order to legally possess firearms or ammunition. The police run a criminal background check and check whether you've been adjudicated as mental defective before issuing such a card. The police have 30 days to do this. In order to obtain a concealed carry license you need to be at least 21 and undergo 16 hours of training. Law enforcement can object to someone receiving a carry permit and such an objection will be considered by the Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board. These laws seem reasonable to me. The problem is FFL's are not well regulated by the BATFE.

 

The problem is all of the thugs that want to kill other thugs and anyone who happens to be around them.

 

Chicago's law abiding citizens don't live in the shithole neighborhoods on the South and West sides of Chicago.

 

The hellhole of Chicago is the result of 100% Democrat rule.

 

Pray tell exactly what is being called for by yourself? Is there an expectation for legally armed, private citizens, to go around looking for criminal individuals to shoot and potentially kill?