Children ripped away from parents in Germany for the crime of homeschooling.

So the only people who want to homeschool are "psycho parents who belong to some schizophrenic idea, some religious idiots or unworldly dreamers?" Surely you can't be serious! Do you have any evidence for this at all?

Why does it matter if they don't go to university?

Well that's irrelevant as the government doesn't force university on people.

 

It can't be said that the kid would never have recovered.

 

Well then you have remembered wrongly. Obviously if parents were physically impacting on their kids health, government should step in.

Can't you answer the question? Again, why does homeschooling go against what you said in your previous post?

 

What the hell do you mean "kill the constitution?" Kill it how?

 

Parents have the most dynamic effect on what a young child thinks anyway. My child began school in a Church of England school as it was the best around. She and her friend aged 5 and 6 came home and told me that 'God' was so angry that he killed all but 2 of everything. Her friend in particular seemed to think 'God' was cool doing this. I said 'well if that is the best way 'god' can find to deal with his problems I want nothing to do with him but you make up your own minds'. My daughter said 'Don't you worry Mum. I will always think what you want.'

 

We will have to disagree about that. My memory remembers it different.

what are you talking about?

 

That's what's called a selective memory.

This:

And why does homeschooling go against this?

 

I can't work out if this is an argument against the practices of the Church of England's educational institution, or an argument against homeschooling.

 

And if the children are home schooled, how is the Government going to know if the parents are physically impacting on the children's health?

 

Is there a connection between homeschooling and physical harm?

 

I can't be serious? Then look on these parents who want this please and what rubbish of nonsense they tell for it! Not a single serious reason which is understandable....

And who decides this at least if they go or not?

Nobody forces someone to ... but if someone wants to go, then he must also meet the necessary standard.

We have a different education system in Germany anyway than you do in the US. The American school system does not provide for "vertical differentiation", meaning that children of different talents are never divided into different types of schools - as in Germany - but attend jointly the school age levels planned for their age.
In Germany almost all children attend a pre-scholl (kindergarten) and at the age of 6 all children are enrolled in a common elemtary school. This goes up to 4 years = the 4th class / grade and then it splits up. We have several secondary schools here in Germany ... 4 different in total, which unfortunately also have no counterparts in the USA even by name. Which child goes to which type of secondary school decide in the end the grade on the certificate of elementary school at 4th class / grade of Elementry School ... so the skill and performance and talent of the child itself.
Also ... in Germany the grades are not done in letters from A to F, but in digits from 1 to 6, where 1 is = US "A", as 6 is = US "F"

a) The "Gymnasium" can be taken as a somehow counterpart to the US High School (in total) and is the highest type. Children here go upt to 8 or 9 years ... = 12. or 13. class / grade ... to school (depending to the federal state) into a "Gymnasium" and in the end get a graduation if the hard examination is passed succesfull which gives them permission to go to an University study, Children could also leave after 10. class if they want, or are not fit enough for graduation due to their grades on certification. They then have the graduation of b) Realschule.
A Gymnasium makes often also an examination with candidates, if they are really goog enough or not.
b) The "Realschule" is second highest and most visited secondary school and ends after 6 years with 10 th class / grade. If the certificate is good enough, a children is able to change after it to the Gymnasium ... btw ... my oldest son did it and does very well. My younger son is currently 14 and class 8.
c) The lowest secondary school type and lesser talented kids go on it at least. If the final certificate is good enough, it is worth and named as from a "Realschule"
d) We have also since 20 or 30 years or so a 4th secondary school type, calles the "Gesamtschule" which is a mix of the 3 others in one school. On the one hand there is the integrated variant, where the children are up to and including 7th class in common and only then according to performance and talent to one of the other 3 school types are divided ... or the variant, where the children are directly from class 5 in classes for "Gymnasium", "Realschule" or "Hauptschule" sepereted.

Basically, a child in Germany must achieve a corresponding grade point average in order to be transferred to the next school year. In 2 major school subjects, a grade 5 (US "E") on the certificate and the child must repeat the school year. If this happens a second time, it must change to the next lower school type ... except at Hauptschule...
Now you also have to know that in Germany ... if no study at the university ... learns every profession in a 2 to 3 year long apprenticeship with certificate and examination. There is the outdated assumption and an old stigma that children with a degree Realschule learn a commercial job, with a home craftmanship job. But that is now these days more of a stigma than reality.

There are also other schools ... such as the special schools, where children with disabilities or learning disabilities who are overwhelmed in a normal school go to. Of course, there are also state-approved private schools ... which are also damn expensive or you have to have a scholarship for .... and most of them are also boarding schools.

 

Seriously?
People who abuse their constitutional right to "Freedom of Speech" to call for the abolition of the Constitution in favor of a dictatorship or whatever ... have lost their right with us because they have been anti-constitutional...
And that's damn right and nothing else is OK than this view!
A democracy with a constitution must also be defensive against the enemies of democracy and the constitution ... enemies from within and from outside!

 

That we will never know.....however, attending school and regularly interacting with others allows teachers to spot if children are being abused and they can draw attention to it...and the Government can step in if necessary. If a child is home-schooled...who is ever going to notice that the child is being abused?

 

Well now I wonder who is having selective memory. It may be that at one time you said you wanted him to be allowed to take his child home. That would not take away from the reality that for ever you were demanding his right as the father to do whatever he wanted . I am not going to reopen that thread. I will just say that strongly appeared to be your position then and hence when you once again start suggesting freedom is parents being able to decide how their children spend their childhood and how they are educated without any thought or input into what is best for the children. I see a pattern building. Lets concentrate on that.

The problem is that you do not even consider that. To you the only thing is your belief that in a free society a parent must have the right to educate a child themselves. There are times I am sure when it could be advantageous. However there are other times when it will not and it generally does not have the same kind of supervision that schools have, to make sure they address all the needs of the child, including bringing them up integrated into society. You do not even consider any of these issues - for instance the right of the child to experience other children and learn how to get on with them, the right of the child to be exposed to other opinions than that of their parents, never mind the right of the child to have a schooling which no doubt is how these laws came in. To you that some countries believe it is best all children go to school is a sign that it is not a free society when it is very possible that in many situations it offers more freedom. If you are speaking of rights here, and on something as important as education you are not putting the rights of the children first, I see a problem.

 

You have a one tract mind. Some parents who demand they have the right for home schooling want that because they want to be able to have the strongest or possibly only influence on their children's minds, on the thinking and values they will develop. I was simply showing you that parents have enormous influence over the thinking of their children when they are young, even when they tell them to think for themselves which is exactly what I had done prior to my daugher reassuring me she would think whatever I wanted!

 

And this would result in the abolition of it?

 

In some cases it would ... if the state does not defend against it. Look in our German history and you have a very good example of politician and his party who openly declared as goal to eleminate and abolite the constittion and the complete system ... and then won and did right this!

 

Ok, and I agree. But those parents were being totally irresponsible to their children defying the law like they did knowing what would happen to their children.

 

home schooling can be good or bad depending on the parents, is it to brain wash the child, to keep narcissistic control of them, ect.... or is is truly to help the child grow as much as possible - i reserve judgement on any parent doing this unless they have the education and funds to actually do it

 

if it was the Muslims doing this, the right woudl be saying they do not want to integrate with society

 

Well they would've known that they would be in trouble, but whether or not they knew that it would result in their kids being taken away, we do not know.

 

What do you mean "reserve judgement?"

 

I will not assume they are good or bad without more information

 

Yes it was. You simply refused to accept it as did he but not the child's Mum....and you still have not let go. Did you expect a miracle from god?

 

Government is not going to know what is going on inside someone's house and even more so if no one else has access to the children. I would take you more seriously if you acknowledged real problems but you keep pretending they cannot exist. Why are you doing that?