Children ripped away from parents in Germany for the crime of homeschooling.

I think sad is even a more fitting word. I have no idea how someone can live in a complete alternative reality when all it takes is ten minutes with google to find the facts.

Neither did I raise the question “So how in the hell can't homeschooling be considered a "kind of education?" nor did I make a counter claim that would provoke this question of yours. Quote me if I did. To make it simple: Your question was "are you saying that it doesn't allow for Homeschooling?" My answer here and now, “No, I didn’t say that.” And you wouldn’t even have to ask that question, if you read carefully.
You should post the agreements you had in mind when you claimed "German government, they have signed up to a number of international human rights agreements that explicitly protect the right of parents to choose the manner of education for their children. Germany has failed to honour these agreements on several occasions", then we can look at them in detail and see if the German government really has failed to honour what you claim they signed to honour. If you meant the article on education in the Declaraton of Human Rights, your claim is simply false, I already pointed that out.

Yes, because authorities don’t knock on your door one Monday morning out of the blue and take away your kids like in a bad Hollywood movie. Again, you’re not familiar with these things, otherwise you wouldn’t ask these rather meaningless questions. In these cases, there is always a long legal dispute between parents and authorities with countless letters going back and forth (almost always several years) and court hearings. Parents are made fully aware of the legal consequences if they continuously ignore the law. That naiveté of yours is a bit puzzling.

Are you for real? See post 122 (and please read). Well done! I'll refrain from using that rofl thing.

Thanks for that clarification. Yes, I strongly assumed you were a yank, your rhetoric and your offensive OP are very yank-ish, well done. Apparently I was wrong, I can live with that. There are no ‘secret’ means (that’s your word choice) and I was certainly not hoping to ‘impress’ anybody (your word choice). Complete misinterpretation on your part, just like the links you posted.

Again these out of the air questions. You really should stop these meaningless rhetorical questions. I’ll take them seriously for now though. Btw, if you’re so concerned about gender rubbish, I’m sure there are things in the Aussie education system that you don’t agree with and could fight against, don’t you think?

No, I didn’t say that, but quote me if I did.

No, I didn’t, but quote me if I did.

Valid point. There are countless parents’ days and afternoon meetings during which these things can be addressed and parents have, of course, the right to voice their concern. Schools then decide how they'll handle these things and what they consider the most appropriate way. Often schools have a certain concept and parents are made aware of that before they have their child registered, just like there are schools with a certain concept or focus on modern languages, classics, science, arts & music, PE, etc. (These would be mostly secondary schools). If I like what I see, I have my kid registered, I don't like what I see, pick another school. I already explained that there is a lot of autonomy regarding education in Germany. If I were a parent having problems with the way a school teaches sex education, I'd have, of course, the right to pick another school which is more to my liking, quite simple.

 

You certainly seemed to be making the counter claim that the article on education in the Declaraton of Human Rights does NOT grant parents the freedom to homeschool their kids. If I am right, then the question, "so how in the hell can't homeschooling be considered a kind of education" is a perfectly logical question to ask.

You may not have said that, but surely you believe it! I'm assuming that you don't actually believe that the declaration DOES allow for homeschooling. Perhaps you can simply state whether or not you think that the Declaraton of Human Rights allows for homeschooling and explain how you came to your conclusion.

Yeah alright. I'm sure that they were properly informed of the action that would be taken.

Damn. I forgot that I already asked and got a response.

You "strongly assumed?" Earlier you said, "I simply FOUND OUT you're a yank." That implies that it was more than mere assumption.

You certainly implied something secretive when you said, "I simply found out you're a yank by means that you're seemingly not familiar with" and, "there are ways to find out and they have nothing to do with brilliant, it's just that you're probably not aware of this."

"RHETORICAL questions?" Where do you get that from? My scrutinising questions DEMAND answers always! It is up to those who I ask to be competent enough to come up with answers. You're doing very well so far, so hopefully you will keep it up!

Oh ABSOLUTELY there are! However, what does this have to do with what we are talking about?

Well why did you argue on the basis that these school programs were "reconsidered?"

No matter how far away the school is? And what if simply no school matches what they want? Schools cannot please everyone, right?

 

All you have done is say that homeschooling is bad, but you have failed to explain HOW it is bad.

How is it "mental garbage?"

So you ARE putting them in the same box as abusive parents? You seemed to imply that you were NOT doing that, when I asked and you said:

Who? These German parents?

 

If the person commits the murder SPECIFICALLY because someone called for the murder of someone, then I might even go as far as to say that they are BOTH equally responsible. However, how could it be known that the person committed the murder SPECIFICALLY because someone called for the murder of someone?

That would depend on whether the person who killed Rushdie did so SPECIFICALLY because Khomeini called for Rushdie to be killed.

 

Uh no. Where did I suggest to kill all schools? My point is that they should able to CHOSE in order to avoid LGBT/sex education rubbish such as the previously mentioned links describe.

 

And I explained you that this will be anarchy and because we had still in the past the bad experience that this will not work ... why shall we make the same error again, eh?

 

What bad experience?

 

The law is there because government fears free thinking.

 

This has noithing to do woth free thinking ... because as I still explained you, the same arguemnt can also be taken against the parents too.

And bad experinece is right this pf parents and private schools outside any state control did such bad indoctrination to kids ... as well were in the past many parents who forbd their kids to go to school because they shall help them to make money for the family instead!

Take a simple example from the dark past of my country: The the pogroms against Jews on 09.11.1938.

There was a call from the Nazis, such as Goebbels, to set fire to the synagogues, to plunder Jewish businesses, and to do many other evil things that also killed many Jews. Done by SA and SS often, but not only and normal citizens foillowed this call too... But:
Did Goebbels himself participate in one of these acts? No ... but is he then less guilty than those who committed the deed, or is he innocent because of "Freedom of Speech"? For sure not!

 

The law is there for a better education standard.

 

Why does the government get to decide what is "better" for children?

 

What is an example of the "bad indoctrination?" Let me guess - creation? Do you have any sources to support what you're saying?

Was homeschooling an option at that time?

Well SA and SS were following orders, whereas private citizens were not, so that's an important distinction to be made. Although, couldn't the SA and SS members have resigned?

 

Exactly. Diligently.

 

That's the obvious front that the moaners, groaners, and bashers failed to read.

 

Baptists for example?

By law, Yes!

SA and SS followed orders, correct ... but they were not alone as told and there were many citizens who were involved in it.

 

What about Baptists?

But you acknowledge that individuals have personal responsibility, right?

Okay, but by law, they could NOT forbid their kids from being at least homeschooled, right?