China’s hypersonic weapons leave US defenseless, for now

https://www.afpc.org/publications/articles/chinas-hypersonic-weapons-leave-us-defenseless-for-now

This is quite serious and points to the fact that china a very dangerous opponent

 

you think they are as dangerous as Russia?

I recently read that the US army (iirc) just completed successful trials of an anti missile laser weapons system. Can't outrun the speed of light.

 

Note those hypersonic missiles were practically paid for with US dollars.

When the US was running huge trade deficits with China, what do you think China was doing with all that money?

So for those who think all this trade was wonderful and trade deficits don't matter the slightest bit, how many billions of dollars is the US going to have to spend (and has already spent!) to counter Chinese military capabilities?

Just two or three decades ago China practically didn't have any modern military technology, but they had a huge army with a lot of people.

 

Listen to your betters

Kazenatsu sees the problem clearly

We have funded the growing chinese menace through stupid trade policies

I hope you are correct anout the laser weapons

But dont bet the rent money on it

 

It's a lot easier to shield a missile from a laser weapon than it is to build a laser big and powerful enough to defeat the shielding.

The budget to shoot down all those missiles might be a hundred times what those missiles cost.

 

Russia is not really a danger to the U.S. China? BIG problem.

 

I just hope the US is as far along in the hypersonic capabilities as China is. MAD works, but it only works if it's a legitimate threat.

Strangely enough, nuclear weapons are probably the only thing that prevented at least 1 full scale war between the US and the USSR for 30 years. Hypersonics are the ICBM of the 21st century. And I wouldnt be surprised to see space based weapons in the very near future also.

 

We not only fund it we help them build it. Like Karl Marx said a capitalist will sell you the rope that you will hang him with. And the multinational corporations that encouraged this transfer of wealth now want us to spend more money on a response to it so they get even more money. I swear American's don't want to think anymore but just regurgitate slogans.

They have sheep believing that giving 350 bill of wealth to china every year is to our benefit because we can buy something cheaper due to labor even if the labor is 1/5th the cost of manufacture. If we outsourced 1/2 of our news people overseas, you will hear an outcry of national devastation and calamity. As more and more jobs get automated those jobs that we lost/losing are going to be felt so much harder.

But never mind that do you know that Trump wanted to build a building in moscow, to match his other buildings around the world? Shocking! Lets spend 2 years talking bout it!

 

The US has had “hypersonic weapons” for 50 years. All ICBMs are hypersonic.

 

Ok

I apologize for waking you up

 

There’s a lot of bullshit hype about China’s new weapons.

Hypersonic weapon’s aren’t new. We’ve had them for decades.

All these supposed “carrier killer” weapon stories from China run into the same issues: none of these weapons have ever been tested against anything resembling their intended target (the supposed DF-21 anti-carrier missile has never even been fired at a moving target in open ocean hundreds of miles away - let alone actually hit one) and they ignore that weapons like these require TARGETTING.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/21/hyp...-are-and-why-us-cant-defend-against-them.html

How could the U.S. defend against hypersonic weapons?

"We don't currently have effective defenses against hypersonic weapons because of the way they fly, i.e., they're maneuverable and fly at an altitude our current defense systems are not designed to operate at," he said. "Our whole defensive system is based on the assumption that you're gonna intercept a ballistic object."

Speier explained that ballistic missiles have predictable trajectories akin to a fly ball in baseball.

"A ballistic missile is like a fly ball in baseball, the outfielder knows exactly where to catch it because its path is determined by momentum and gravity."

Nacouzi added that because hypersonic weapons are maneuverable and therefore, unpredictable, they are difficult to defend against.

 

Sure we have a way to defend against them: MAD.

There is no way to tell if a wave of incoming hypersonic missiles has conventional weapons or nuclear weapons on board. So we would respond to such an attack with full scale launch against China.

 

Only if our hypers are as good or better than their hypers

But given our liberal dominated failed education system we face a shortage of engineers who speak English

And the some of the ones do have may have been taught to hate America along the lines of Bradley Manning or Bowie bergdahl

I know libs love china for a variety of reasons

But the chicoms do not love you back

 

Plus in a conventional war could our carriers survive against hyper weapons?

Mutual Assured Destruction does not help them

 

Do you think land attack hypersonic missiles are going to shoot down ICBM’s?

Our hypersonic missile’s don’t have to be better to beat China’s. They just have to destroy China’s ability to exist, which they would.

China can’t launch a mass missile attack on America with any kind of missile because it’s impossible to tell what kind of warhead a missile has until that missile lands. During the hang time after firing, we would be forced to launch a nuclear attack on China because it would look like they just launched one at us.

 

As I pointed out in a later post hypersonic weapons can be used in a conventional war also

Where we may have more assets to lose than china does

 

And as I’ve said, when a wave of conventional hypersonic missiles get launched, you have no way of knowing if they are conventional or nuclear until they impact.

No military leader is going to wait for cities to start disappearing before launching a retialtory strike.

China isn’t going to commit suicide just to attack the US.

 

Ok. You just dont want to understand

Lets imagine for instance that China declares the S China Sea is now a chinese lake and if US warships appear they will be destroyed

And with hypersonic weapons they can do it

Are you ready to concede half the planet to china?

 

Prove that they can destroy US ships with hypersonic weapons that have never even been tested against moving targets in the open ocean?

Also, how will they be targeting these weapons? Are they going to just shoot them blind from hundreds of miles away and hope US ships are in the area they are aiming for?

 

This thread is about china developing weapons that can destroy US carriers

You should inform yourself before bloviating

Maybe even try reading the links you are given

We don't currently have effective defenses against hypersonic weapons because of the way they fly, i.e., they're maneuverable and fly at an altitude our current defense systems are not designed to operate at," he said. "Our whole defensive system is based on the assumption that you're gonna intercept a ballistic object."

 

Their development is at best in its infancy. China has never even attempted a test of one of their missiles against a moving target at sea, let alone actually hit one.

That bit you quoted again says NOTHING about how these missiles will be targeted. China doesn’t have the equivalent of the fleet of Naval Aviation aircraft the Soviets had and even the Soviets weren’t confident that fleet would be enough to find and target US carrier groups in the open ocean.

 

I dont know how far along china is and neither do you

But we cannot afford to assume that all is well as you are doing

 

Except we do know because you can’t test weapons like these without transmitting that action to the world.

China has only ever fired their hypersonic missile tests against fixed targets in their Western Desert.

 

its a deterrent weapon unless we plan to have nuke war, otherwise it will be sitting in a hangar somewhere for long period of time.