China builds world's fastest wind tunnel to test weapons that could strike US within 14 minutes

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  1. Mac-7

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    TPP would not have prevented china from trading with any member nation
     
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    If you are still around 20 years from you are in for a big shock
     
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    Well no outside force ended the period of Rome Republic and we might also end up also doing our self in but until then worrying about such nations as China is pointless.
     
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    Its pointless to worry about it with yoy
     
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    The imaginary hairs folks attempt to split in a feckless attempt to inflate a bogus perceptual reality that the illusion requires.
     
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    You made my point with your first response.

    Your second one is false.

    First of all Donald Trump is afraid of multilateral agreements. It's well beyond his comprehension.

    Not that Donald Trump actually had the slightest idea what the TPP actually was when he repudiated it. He had demonstrated clearly through his comments in the campaign that he had no real idea what the TPP actually was. (his base has no idea).

    Second, none of our allies are interested in negotiating one on one. That's why they're ignoring Trump.

    What about the TPP were you scared of?
     
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    Maybe it is part of a foreign adversary's plan to weaken America's say in world economics. ;).
     
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    I don't agree with a lot of the new tax plan, but one must have a complete lack of intelligence to blame DT, in office for 11 months, when the US has pissed away $150 BB per year on supporting the poor of mexico, latin america, and other 3rd world sh-tholes via the mass illegal alien invasion. Imagine how much more advanced the US' tech would be if those funds had been directed to DARPA instead of Carlos Slim's illegal alien enterprise.
     
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    And? Who said that it would?
     
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    Right, but the funding through federal loans of tax-exempt "non-profit" colleges with $20 BB endowments, paying thousands of administrators massive, 6-figure salaries who increase tuition at 4 times the rate of inflation, is more rational business model.
     
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    I would rather they get there as slow as possible

    As for the testbof your post you really cantbspeak for the other countries anf I think they will make desldvwith trump on better terms for us than TPP
     
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    The liss of sovereignty through international cours that can override our domestic laws
     
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    No, although it certainly is useful. Since the objective is to divide the West and the free world.

    No, Trump is stupid (but we knew that). He's afraid of anything that doesn't work the
    You are entitled to you opinion.

    Trump repudiated the TPP nearly a year ago, to the shock and disappointment of every single one of the other partners in the discussion (an important reality that you apparantly choose to ignore).

    In the almost ten months since then, not one of these nations has approached the Trump adminstration for bilateral talks. Nor has the US done so either (this Adminstration's ongoing chaos and mismanagement don't make it an appealing or trustworthy business partner).

    Indeed, the day after Trump bellowed about how he would give everyone better terms unilaterally, they all signed a TPP lite of their own, leaving the US out, and behind.
     
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    The US could rejoin TPP in a modified form provided the major objections to the deal are met

    Dont be so sure that the other nations no longer want to do business with America because I suspect they do

    Obama negociated such a bad agreement he knew it would not be ratified by the US senate so he dodnt even try
     
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    I never said they didn't.

    It was Donald Trump who walked away.

    You have no idea what was in the TPP, so your claim that Obama negotiated a bad deal is almost certainly false. Trump didn't even know what the TPP was when he started attacking it. I doubt that he knew what it was when he announced US withdrawal.

    Once Trump is replaced, we will, hopefully, repair the damage (although we won't be in as strong a position as we were before Trump).

    Of course, once Trump is replaced, we can undo the dishonor of being the only nation on earth that didn't sign the Paris Climate Accord, too.

    The politics of division and isolationism will only result on us being left on the sidelines of the world we helped build.

    That was the lesson of the era between the two World Wars. But the American right seems to have forgotten that.
     
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    So many wet dreams.
     
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    If obama had not made a bad deal he was ashamed of he would have proudly presented it to the US senate as a binding treaty that trump could not walk away from

    Instead he snuck it in as an executive agreement which was not binding on the next president
     
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    Neither claim is true.
     
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    Sez you
     
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    Yes, sez me.

    That's the response I give to people who demonstrate that they have no idea what they are talking about and just make up idiotic spew.

    The Trans Pacific Partnership was a negotiation in progress. There was no finished agreement for Obama to present to the Senate, nor did he ratify an non existant agreement with an executive order.

    Which makes your post 100% false.
     
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    There was nothing in the TPP that wasn't in any other trade agreement on that score. Try again.
     
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    It is absolutely true

    Obama needed a slieght of hand trick to get it across the finish line

    If hillary had won it might have remained on the books and like obamacare difficult to undo

    But trump found it very easy to undo by the same stroke of a pen that obama used
     
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    Or at least nothing you are aware of

    because the lying MSM failed to inform you
     
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    This is adolsecent! Seriously?

    There was no executive order signed by Obama that committed the US to the TPP. I've told you that twice now, and you keep clinging to this idiotic claim and going on about Obama's pen.

    Do you even have the slightest idea what you are talking about??????????

    Do you seriously think repeating the same false claim will make it real?
     
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    Circular logic. No debating required.
     

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