China coronavirus: Death toll rises as more cities shut down

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  1. Montegriffo

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    We won't know how deadly it is until it's over, and it's just beginning. I do agree there is no need to panic...unless perhaps your job requires a lot of travel, or you live/work in a Chinatown-type neighborhood in the U.S.

    Anyway, the WHO did upgrade this to a Global Emergency, but still is not recommending travel bans.
    https://www.technologyreview.com/f/...rus-is-officially-an-international-emergency/
     
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    Hmmm. Here’s a rational perspective. Notice, no hysteria, just reason and science.

     
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    Everyone has an individual (and rational) reason for their own level of concern. Age, immune system, social life, work life, travel, etc. Personally, I'm at very little risk, but still do have concern for those who are getting sick and dying.

    It's definitely worth keeping any eye on how fast and how bad this thing may get before we get it under control. And rationally, yes, hope that it does not ever get too out of control.
     
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    More reason and science—latest update I could find. Most interesting is asymptomatic 10 year old boy. How are you going to screen without symptoms?

     
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    It’s overkill, and the panic may do more harm than disease itself. Most are just going to be flu-sick. Inconvenient, but not the end of the world. It’s not World War Z, it’s a flu-type bug.
     
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    Underdeveloped countries are going to be hit the hardest. Once this disease spreads through Africa and the poorer nations in Asia and South America you will see the number of deaths really start to rise.
    Those countries don't have the ability to knock up a 2000 bed hospital in a week.
     
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    Agree. If I’m in China with a compromised immune system, I figure “kiss my ass good bye”. But if I’m a 28 year old healthy human, I’m stocking up on toilet paper, Kleenex with lotion, and chicken rice soup, and enjoying a couple of days off work.
     
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    That is why the WHO elevated this to a global emergency. They aren't so much worried over 1st world countries which have good medical services and supplies. They are worried most about 2nd and 3rd world countries.
     
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    They better start devolving fast, and hysteria won’t get it done.
     
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    I don't really see anyone panicking here. Wuhan, and now other areas in Asia, where they are short on staff and supplies have reason to panic.
     
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    That's a pretty glib thing to say.
    Check your privilege.
     
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    Quarantine a city of 11 million over crap, coughs, chuck-ups, when the virus has already spread? Oh, that’s more than panic, that’s bureaucrat panic trying to cover their asses.
     
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    It ain’t privilege, sucker—it’s earned. FK your guilt.
     
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    Agreed. The pic of all the Chinese people wearing masks merely illustrates the point that now we've got MILLIONS of Chinese (and others) scared to death -- and that explains why Russia, North Korea, and Mongolia are shutting their borders to anyone trying to enter from China. The Chinese are terrified and they want to get OUT!

    Sure, those masks are worthless (except to put onto people who are already infected, to keep them from blowing the virus out all over the place). But what's happening is that many thousands of people are trying to get out of China now by any means they can invent, 'beg, borrow, or steal'. They'll be bribing border guards, police, and anybody else they can, forging "papers", and using hundreds of different ruses -- anything to get them out of harm's way. Few will actually be infected with anything (at least, at first), but the ones who are infected, or become infected along their way will spread the virus all over -- especially in excellent breeding grounds, like Southeast Asia, India, and -- OH -- just wait until this thing gets to AFRICA!
     
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    Earned off the back of slavery, exploitation and genocide.
    FK your selfish ''I'm alright Jack'' attitude.
     
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    Hmmm. I can accept Russia closing its border to prevent a stampede of desperate people. That’s reasonably prudent, but not to prevent the disease from spreading—it’s spread. I’m just not convinced you can stop an infectious disease that is contagious without symptoms from spreading even more. It’s going to take a vaccination, and that ought to be where the major concentration of mind and money ought be, if it’s the end of the disease as a threat that is wished.
     
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    I thought they actually quarantined more like 50 million in an entire province spread over multiple cities. As far as panic goes, I think we have to expect some sort of response from China and from other countries that are starting to limit flights into and out of China. The virus stays dormant for 2 weeks before symptoms start to show. Most likely, it is also contagious during this time as well.

    I am not sure what level of action constitutes a panic by the leaders of these nations but I would rather error on the side of them taking more action (within reason) than letting things run their course.

    Once they get vaccine, then things will get better...hopefully.
     
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    Just a thought—whose collecting the garbage? Here’s another, what are they doing with human waste? And another, who is feeding whom? And another, who is preparing this food and how?

    The quarantine may end up killing more than it saves.
     
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    People who live in the better areas of Wuhan have normal water, sewage, trash pickup. Not sure about poorer areas.

    I've been watching this guy's updates. He's from Scotland, living in Wuhan teaching English, and is under lockdown. Lockdown doesn't mean people absolutely cannot leave their house/apartment. Mainstream major grocery stores are open (not the street market type stores). This guy went shopping at the supermarket and filled a suitcase with shelf-stable foods. He took his trash out the other day...and it looks like they have normal trash dumpsters, just like here. In this latest video, he says they pick up the trash every single day and wash the streets daily with street-sweeping machines.

    Talk about "rational" and not panicking....

     
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    This is an asinine remark. Do you think China is not aware of the points that this Dr is making? And yet they're attempting to build a 1000 patient hospital in less than 2 weeks? Hello?
     
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    Society doesn't come to a screeching halt because of a crisis, things have to keep moving forward while taking precautions. Leaving the garbage and the waste could introduce an entire new set of problems.

    Not eating speaks for itself.
     
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    News said Hong Kong researchers have a vaccine, but it will take a year of testing before it can be cleared for use.
     
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    DISTURBING footage emerged overnight showing people collapsing in the street in Wuhan, China, as they quickly succumb to the deadly coronavirus. Remember, " 2 + 2 = 5." Just the kind of catastrophe a Ayn Randian society can handle. But really, if anyone in government disagreed on the danger of this virus do you think they could speak out? Of course not.

    We have global pollution and climate warming; three melted down nuclear reactors leaking plutonium for the last 10 years raising the background radiation for the entire Pacific Ocean in addition to plastics--why should they start caring now?



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