China's oppression of Tibet

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  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    The Chinese Communist Party and Leadership in many ways has become more RUTHLESS than it was less than a decade ago.

    Why?

    Because the Communists are struggling to JUSTIFY THEIR EXISTENSE!!

    Let's face it....China is NO LONGER A COMMUNIST NATION!!!

    The ONLY aspect of the Chinese Communist Party in the average Chinese Persons life is in the role of ATTEMPTING TO CONTROLLING WHAT THEY THINK, SAY AND BELIEVE!!!

    And the thing is....the Chinese Communist Party has already LOST THIS BATTLE as they no longer control what the average Chinese person thinks and believes but they still have limited control upon what Chinese people SAY....as they brutally crack down upon ANY disent...any criticism....and even the Internet has filters.

    How did the Chinese Party lose control?

    Richard "TRICKY DICK" Nixon.

    There was a PLAN.

    Nixon and Henry Kissinger along with the CIA came up with one of the most sucessful none violent long term plans ever concieved and it's purpose was to slowly infiltrate China and the Chinese Communist Parties forced brainwashing of the Chinese People but not with SPYS...or SR-71 OVERFLIGHTS....OR SATELLITE RECON....but infiltrate China and the Chinese Communist Ideology with the most insideous and comprehensive long term plan ever concieved.

    The PLAN was known as OPERATION AMERICAN CULTURE.....or the other code name was....SODA POP AND COLONEL SANDERS!!!

    Now you might think I am joking but I am actually being DEAD SERIOUS!!!

    At the time the Soviet Union was still very much a threat and as the Soviets and Red Chinese...back then we called Taiwan China.....as both the Soviet's and the Red Chinese had fought a number of vicious boarder wars and didn't like one another at all.....it was decided Nixon would visit Red China in order to develop relations in order to form an alliance against the Soviet's.

    This was not to be easy as the U.S. Military had fought against Soldiers of the Chinese Army and Military....PLA...Peoples Liberation Army.....back during the Korean War when just as the U.S. Military was about finished taking over North Korea....untold mass numbers of Red Chinese Troops came over the boarder from Red China and as these Red Chinese were not well trained nor where they given much to any air support WE KILLED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF THEM.

    But these shear numbers were so great that U.S. Marines and U.S. Army Soldiers...and two of my Great Uncles were in this war.....told stories of how they would mow down Red Chinese with .50 Cals in interlocking fields of fire and with Mortors and Artillary but STILL THEY KEPT COMING.

    So many that they had to climb over 6 to 10 foot mounded lines of their own dead just to push forward and what happened is either U.S. Forces ran out of ammo or their weapons got so hot that at first they would douse them with water and if that ran out they would urinate upon them as if they got too hot they would seize up or in the case of Mortors BLOW UP!!!

    So many Red Chinese Soldiers dies an accurate number of their deaths is hard to place upon it.

    So when Nixon went to Red China it was less than 20 years since that war that killed untold numbers of Chinese.

    But NIXON HAD THE ULTIMATE PLAN!!!

    The PLAN was to allow the Chinese to eventually gain access to the American Market which was and still is the Largest Consumer Market on the Planet.

    Trade Imbalances would BE IGNORED.....and in return for allowing the Chinese access to the U.S. Market....the Chinese Communist Leadership would allow American Businesses access to the Chinese Market that was limited at first.

    It was WHAT THE UNITED STATES EXPORTED TO CHINA that would change China from a Communist Economic System that was failing TO A CAPITALISTIC SYSTEM....and the sight of British Controlled HONG KONG also helped allure the Communist Party.

    Slowly but surely.....Pepsi Cola.....KFC.....American Movies...etc....as just about eventually every aspect of American Culture would find it's way into Communist China.

    The PLAN took into account the fact that the Chinese Communist Party would attempt to Export more to the U.S. then they would allow Imported and that is what they did and still do....but that trade balance was and is ignored and as a result China is a Capitalist Country!!!

    The extent that this PLAN has worked so well can be summed up in the release of the Marvel/DISNEY Pictures CAPTAIN AMERICA THE WINTER SOLDIER.

    As the Chinese Communist Party Leadership decides which Hollywood Movies it will allow shown many American Movies never make it onto the Chinese Movie Screens.

    As example since the Chinese Communist Party will not allow criticism of itself to be shown on TV or in the Movies IN ANY FORM...even if it could just be IMPLIED....movies like WORLD WAR Z were not shown in China as in that movie it was implied a Bird or Swine Flue that might have mutated into the Zombie Virus in the movie had originated in China.....the Chinese Communist Party BANNED THAT MOVIE!!!!!

    Enter CAPTAIN AMERICA THE WINTER SOLDIER.....another Marvel Movie and as the Chinese Communist Party makes serious money off the Box Office Ticket Sales of Big American Blockbusters...especially any MARVEL MOVIES.....the question was brought up in the Communist Party Meetings whether Captain America the Winter Soldier should or should not be allowed to be shown.

    As well I believe the first Captain America Movie was not shown in China and as this was a strictly AMERICAN OF ALL AMERICAN HEROS.....the Communists at first thought they might not show it.

    THEN....after they realized the story plot which was how a U.S. Based Secret Intelligence Agency...S.H.I.E.L.D. had allowed NAZI CONTROL OF IT.....HYDRA....the Chinese Communist Party thought by showing this movie it would detail to the average Chinese how corrupt the American System was or if not that since the first Captain America Movie was not shown in China perhaps no one would go see it thus proving how the Chinese People had rejected a Red, White and Blue Flag Wearing American Hero.

    The result?

    Largest Movie Opening in Chinese HISTORY!!!

    The Chinese flocked to the theater as they all Blogged and discussed the Movies relavent message how a persons LOVE OF COUNTRY is not the same as a PERSONS LOVE OR HATE OF THEIR COUNTRIES GOVERNMENT!!!

    This STUNNED the Chinese Communist Party Leadership.

    People in China began to ask...."Why don't we have a CAPTAIN CHINA?"

    And believe it or not I just found out a New Captain China Comic Book exists!!!

    The reasons there was no Captain China was discussed by the Chinese people with the prevaling theory being that the Chinese Communist Leadership would NEVER ALLOW the creation of a CAPTAIN CHINA as this represented TOO MUCH OF AN INDIVIDUAL HAVING POWER TO EFFECT CHANGE.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Lol some how u link captain America into ccp. u do has quite imagination China has its own version of Hero etc in its movie/cartoons
     
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    What I posted is a FACT.

    Google Captain China.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    yes china also has 15 feet tall Transformer model in shanhai during the transformer exhibition
     
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    The GOOD NEWS is the Chinese People are slowly but surely modernizing although the Chinese Communist Party Leadership spends much more money developing and building modern Chinese Cities and Urban areas and does very little to help develop much needed infrastructure in the rural areas.

    And the GOOD NEWS is that many Modern Chinese are getting sick and tired of the Chinese Communist Party Leadership interfering in their every day lives as many complain the Communist Party treats they like children.

    Eventually the Chinese People are going to get fed up with a Government that does not allow the people to vote and decide who their leadership will be.

    As well American Culture exists in just about every aspect of Chinese life and it exists in all sorts of ways from common everyday American Business Practices like the customer is always right as well as in Entertainment and Music.

    The greater the amount of freedoms the Chinese People will demand the greater the oppresion of the Communist Party and the Party cannot win over time.

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    I think I'm going to start referring to you as Little Brother.
     
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    a government that push's "no religion" on a people is as bad as one that pushes "religion" on a people

    religious freedom for all is the best policy


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    Actually, the burden of proof is on you Little Brother.
     
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    The current era is a golden age in Chinese history to the same extent as the high point of the Tang and Ming dynasties. The Han are quite pleased with the improvement in the average standard of living. The Han are not interested in individual freedom. Besides, liberty doesn't fit in with Han Chinese culture.
     
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    It looks like you have suddenly grown older than your Uncle after disappearing from this forum for a long time. Perhaps you have travelled to a distant unknown planet and returned to find your Uncle become your Little Brother! :angel:
     
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    Well said. I suggest that you should visit the Global Times website where you could enjoy hours of free, unrestrained, exciting sparring with jokers and clowns.
     
  12. Albert Di Salvo

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    I spent some time in China over the course of the last year.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I'm only interested in sparring with Hak Gwai.
     
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    It's no wonder white people like dealing with the cantonese so much. It's far easier to stoke the old white superiority complex when your opposite is a middling, docile, meek canto midget.
     
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    No wonder you have grown so old that your uncle has suddenly become your little brother. The polluted water, dusty air and hard life there must have aged you terribly.

    Hak Gwai has become a lame duck president and has less than two years left in office. What he has now is only his big mouth. You can easily floor him with one finger.
     
  15. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    Stoke? The better word is "stroke." Beijingers, Shanghainese, Honger Kongers, and other Chinese love white people. The only Chinese who doesn't love white people is Trickster Monkey. From Hunan to Yunnan the Chinese like Gwei Lo.

    On a more serious note, if a lofan knows something about Chinese history and culture, the Han are very receptive. In fact some white people know more about Han history than many Chinese. If you don't believe me just ask the Yellow Emperor or the Yongle Emperor. Maybe even the Empress Wu.
     
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    It's true...what a shame. The horizons are generally no longer far away. The Huangpo River must have been beautiful once. But there are still places in Yunnan where the air seems clean.

    What really makes China special are the people. Maybe it's me, but it seems I know a lot of people like Zheng He and Yang Guifei.



    Many chickens can be killed in two years.
     
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    I have spent time in China as well and not just in the TOURIST AREAS as the Chinese Communist Party Leadership has spent HUGE SUMS OF MONEY modernizing and building infrastructure......BUT ONLY IN URBAN AREAS AS THEY CREATE MASSIVE CITIES WITH GIANT SKYSCRAPERS!!!

    I have been to China several times and have traveled through out THE RURAL AREAS of several Provinces and I can tell you THE LEVEL OF POVERTY IN CHINA'S RURAL AREAS IS ASTOUNDING!!!!

    This is why the Chinese Communist Party Leadership does everything it can not to allow Foreigners to travel into Rural Areas!!!


    The Chinese People are being controlled by a TINY NUMBER OF THEIR POPULATION and this tiny number of ELITE MAOIST CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY LEADERSHIP....oh...and they HATE IT....when you call them....MAOISTS....as they LOVE to talk about all the great benefits they have brought to the Chinese People.....well as I go there for purposes not specific to BUSINESS.....nor am I a member of a multitude of U.N. POVERTY COMMISSIONS that goes to China to continue to report upon what progress China has made in rural areas....that answer being......not 1%...not 5%....not ZERO%....but how about a NEGATIVE PERCENTAGE!!!!

    Since I don't have to worry about being caught in Rural China and having my contract revoked like some others....and because I am NOT MILITARY....and because I actually HELP certain POOR CHINESE...I am toterated.

    But never think for a SECOND....that the Chinese Communist Party Leadership gives a DAMN about the MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF POOR CHINESE LIVING IN RURAL CHINA!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
  18. Albert Di Salvo

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    Not all factions of the Chinese Communist Party are Maoist. Some are Capitalist Roaders. However, all factions are Leninist.

    The Chinese Communist Party is simply another dynasty struggling to maintain the Mandate of Heaven.

    Do you know the difference between Hu Jintao and Xi Jingping?
     
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    OK.....to make this informative to everyone I am going to post something first and then give you my answer.

    Xi Jinping
    习近平


    Xi Jinping (pinyin: Xí Jìnpíng, pronounced [ɕǐ tɕînpʰǐŋ];[1] born 15 June 1953) is the General Secretary of the Communist Party of China, the President of the People's Republic of China, and the Chairman of the Central Military Commission. As Xi holds the top offices of the party and the military, in addition to being the head of state through the office of President, he is sometimes informally referred to as China's "paramount leader".[2][3] As General Secretary, Xi is also an ex officio member of the Politburo Standing Committee, China's de facto top decision-making body.

    Son of communist veteran Xi Zhongxun, Xi Jinping rose through the ranks politically in China's coastal provinces. He served as the Governor of Fujian between 1999 and 2002, then as Governor and Party Secretary of the neighboring Zhejiang between 2002 and 2007. Following the dismissal of Chen Liangyu, Xi was transferred to Shanghai as the Party Secretary for a brief period in 2007. Xi joined the Politburo Standing Committee and Central Secretariat in October 2007 and was groomed to become Hu Jintao's successor. He served as Vice-President between 2008 and 2013.

    Xi is now the leader of the People's Republic's fifth generation of leadership.[4] Since assuming leadership, he has initiated an unprecedented and far-reaching campaign against corruption, called for further market economic reforms, governing according to the law and strengthening legal institutions, and an emphasis on individual and national aspirations under the neologism "Chinese Dream".[5]

    Xi has also imposed further restrictions over ideological discourse, attempted to further entrench and legitimize the authority of the Communist Party over Chinese society, while also introducing far-ranging measures to enforce party discipline and ensure internal unity. He has significantly centralized institutional power through taking on a wide range of leadership positions himself, including chairing the newly formed National Security Commission, as well as new steering committees on overall reform, military reform, and the internet. Xi has also championed a more assertive foreign policy, particularly in relation to Sino-Japanese relations, disputes in the South China Sea, involvement in Asian regional affairs, and initiatives related to energy and natural resources

    LINK....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jin_Ping

    OK.....now.....here is the big DOSE OF REALITY!!!

    The United States has been running a VERY LONG TERM PLAN....which began with Nixon visiting at the time RED CHINA as the United States only recognized Taiwan as China.

    The plan was brilliant...and simple.

    Allow China accesss to the U.S. Market even if there was a trade imbalance and slowly introduce American Cultural Ideology into China.

    But most importantly make sure NOTHING the U.S. Imported from China had any Strategic Value whatsoever.

    Now the Chinese Economy is dependent upon the manufacture and sales of Exports to the U.S. of cheap Walmart sold goods.

    Add to this the huge mistake of the Chinese Communist Party Leadership loaning HUGE sums of money to the U.S. to compensate for U.S. Debt Spending and you have a Chinese Economy completely at the mercy of the United States.

    The Chinese Communist Party Leadership mistakenly believed that lending such massive amounts of money to the U.S. would allow China to influence U.S. Foreign Policy but instead it had the EXACT OPPOSITE EFFECT as the #1 Rule of Lending is NEVER LEND MONEY TO ANY PERSON, GROUP OR NATION YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO WAY OF FORCING PAYMENT.

    Because of this if China was to do something the U.S. does not approve of...say....Planning to Invade Taiwan....the U.S. could WITHOUT FIRING A SHOT....COMPLETELY COLLAPSE THE ENTIRE CHINESE ECONOMY WITHIN A WEEK....by refusing to accept any and all Chinese Exports and refusing to payback any money loaded.

    The new Chinese Leader intends to attempt to build a Chinese Economy based upon sales to it's own population to counter this problem....but as far as Militarily....the U.S. Military and especially Navy is 50 years or more ahead of the Chinese and China is not even close to a match to the U.S. Militarily.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    The difference between Hu Jintao and Xi Jinping is that the former represented the post-Mao collectivist consensus model of leadership of the Politburo Standing Committee of the Chinese Communist Party, while the latter is currently breaking out of that mold and centralizing political power in himself. Xi is creating a new governing model by attempting to return to the past. Past as prologue.
     
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    Well said. I have just discovered another difference between Hu Jintao and Xi Jinping. If ex-President Hu had named himself as Netanya Hu, Obama would never invite him for official state visit to the US. :smile:
     
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    China's newest leader is in many ways attempting to return China back to the days when the Chinese Communist Party and it's Leadership were so powerful that no one DARED question their methods or statements...and this is unfortunate for the Chinese People.

    The Newest Chinese Leader also understands that China's vast numbers of Troops MEAN NOTHING if you have absolutely no possible way of using FORCE PROJECTION!!!

    Since the United States has absolutely ZERO REASON to attack China or commit Ground Forces against Chinese Forces as the ONLY way that the U.S. and China would actually be using their Militaries against one another is if some Chinese Leader LOST HIS OR HER MIND!!!

    China's stated goal of reunifying Taiwan by the year 2010 has come and gone and China has no possible way Militarily or otherwise to FORCE TAIWAN TO REUNIFY WITH CHINA.

    China has admitted this to itself finally and it is severely HOPED by the United States that China will stop playing NAVAL GAMES in the area that is the Pacific Rim and as well in areas in and arounf the Korean Peninsula and near Japan and The Philippines as in these areas as well as within und under all the Oceans of the Earth the U.S. NAVY REIGNS SUPREME!!!

    The new Chinese Leader seems to accept this and wants to concentrate on developing a China that has an Economy that is not so dependent upon sales and Exports to the United States.

    He wants to develp a China where Chinese People have enough money to actually become a BUYING POPULATION much like the United States.

    This is necessary although probably not possible of a goal for at least 50 years as Rural China exists in such a poor and febile state that the Chinese Communist Party Leadership understandings building up infrastructure and education in rural China could very well spell the end and DOOM the Communist Party in China.

    But what China really has to contend with is the ability of the United States to CONTROL AND LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF OIL, COAL AND NATURAL GAS that China can purchase.

    China talks with Russia about helping Russia develop Eastern Siberia but the reality is that over 90% of all Oil and Natural Gas Reserves exists in WESTERN SIBERIA!!!

    Aswell Putin himself has stated it is dangerous for Russia to allow China too much influence within Russian Siberian Infrastructure and Energy Development and Exploitation.

    One of the biggest PROPAGANDA LIES comming out of both Putin's Russia and China is that the UNITED STATES will do ANYTHING go get it's hands on massive Russian Siberian Oil Reserves.

    This Propaganda is laughable as the United States and Canada.....as even Russia and China when doing their yearly Military Threat Assessments combined the two nations together as they consider the United States and Canada as ONE NATION or ONE ENTITY......anyways...by 2023....BOTH CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES WILL BECOME COMPLETELY ENERGY SELF SUFFICIENT!!

    It was supposed to happen in 2025 but the events in the Ukraine increased the time table.

    It has now been determined that Canada and the United States have between 5 to 6 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF OIL RESERVES THAN THE ENTIRE OIL RESERVES OF THE MIDDLE EAST!!!

    It just took decades to develop the technology to turn Sand Tar and Shale into Oil in a cost effective manner.

    Plus the United States remains the worlds largest Exporter and worlds largest holder of coal reserves....which China is our largest customer.

    China is stuck between wanting to work with Russia to develop Oil Reserves not controlled by the United States but the costs of just developing Siberia just to GET at this Oil and Natural Gas would place Oil Costs at over $130 to $160 a Barrel for Oil for China compared to the current $45 a Barrel China can buy a barrel of Oil from the U.S. or Canada.

    If CHINA WAS SMART.....they would make a treaty abandoning all attempts to develop a BLUE WATER NAVY....as not only is such a development extremely COSTLY for China...it is UNREALISTIC IN THE EXTREME for PLN Leadership....who actually also think such a plan is folly as it is really the Chinese Communist Party Leadership that intends to spend BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS OF DOLLARS attempting to develop a Navy that could at the very least compete with ONE SINGLE U.S. NAVY NUCLEAR CARRIER BATTTLE GROUP!!!

    THEIR PLAN IS TO COMPETE WITH JUST ONE!!! ONE!!!!!

    Even though the Chinese PLN.....Peoples Liberation Navy Leadership....has clearly stated to the Chinese Communist Party Leadership that......A SINGLE U.S. CARRIER BATTLE GROUP CARRIES MORE NUCLEAR WEAPONS THAN EXISTS IN THE ENTIRE CHINESE NUCLEAR ARSENAL!!!

    As well the PLN Leadership has tried...and tried....and TRIED....to explain to the Communist Leadership that because of the size, number, capability and inability for the PLN to locate and destroy U.S. Navy Subs....any attempt by China's PLA.....Peoples Liberation Army....to board PLN Troop Carriers and land on Taiwanese Beaches would end shortly after such PLN Troop Carrying Ships left port as U.S. Navt Subs and the U.S. Airforce WOULD BLOW THEM OUT OF THE WATER WELL BEFORE THEY EVER CAME CLOSE TO TAIWAN!!!

    So.....the difference between the two leaders?

    Willl only be defined by the different mistakes they will make dealing with the U.S.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    I'm sure this post who have never been to Tibet, he only live on his own in Tibet.
    Welcome you to travel to Tibet, his eyes to see Tibet.
     
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    Miscalculation is the handmaiden of war. Any conflict between the US and the PRC will be fought in Chinese battle space. American power is in decline. Chinese power is in ascendence. Why would America fight for Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam, et al.? The American empire is hollow because the Americans can't fight and win wars. American political culture won't permit it.
     
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    Yang Guifei belonged to the past. For the present, you should look for the dream gal of Hong Kong.

    It looks like those chickens are members of the march of the dead.
     

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