Chinese Destroyer Zhengzhou defeated by waves in West Pacific Ocean

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  1. dreamin'gal

    dreamin'gal New Member

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KzpTLlNimc

    well....when somethings "made in China"...:roll:
    -0:27 even I have zero knowledge in military tech, I think the large gap of that door is unacceptable. it's unacceptable in any kind of safe ship.
     
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    Yes, I agree with you that everything "made in China" is unacceptable, except my lovely dream gal. :angel:
     
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    I am from Hong Kong, not China:worship:
     
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    reallybigjohnson Banned

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    double post.
     
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    A bit OT but I am now taking a class specifically on Chinese politics in the 20th century. I always knew how much of an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and loser Mao Zedong was but after learning more about him I often wonder why everyone rips on Hitler and Stalin but Mao seems to be forgotten and he was far worse than Hitler and Stalin put together.

    Chinese military tech absolutely sucks balls. They rely heavily on Soviet era technology which was questionable to begin with and that is now decades old now. China and India have both bought refitted air craft carriers form Russia with very amusing results.

    People that think China poses a military threat need to get their eyes checked. That won't be the case for at least a decade if not more and that is assuming that the US will just stand still and not do anything to improve their military which isn't going to happen either.

    And to the OP.....make them change their stupid 10 General Secretary terms form the second year of every decade. Its obnoxious. Just change over on the nice round '0 year. They also need to stop having their General Assembly meetings every 5 years on the '2 and '7 years. Make it the '0 and '5 years. Makes my OCD go into high gear.
     
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    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    HK is part of China lol. So yes ur from China
     
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    no it's not.
    Hong Kong is a defacto city-states.
     
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    cant understand this...but I wish you study good in your new subject!
     
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    APACHERAT Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Those in the U.S. military community believed that China would challenge the U.S. Navy in thirty to forty years. But with Obama in the White House, it might have moved up to twenty years or even ten years considering the damage Obama has done to our military.

    Look at WW ll in the Pacific, the fuse for war with Japan and America was lit in 1905. "Plan Orange" which the U.S. used to fight WW ll against Japan was drawn up and adopted in 1922.

    http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-P-Strategy/Strategy-1.html

    http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USMC/III/USMC-III-I-1.html
     
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    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    china rely on soviet tech only in 90's, maybe in early 2000s, lately they dont purchase russia equipment anymore, they already learn most know how from soviet stuff. now they are learning from US. they wont match US navy for maybe in 50 years. but their current objective is secure 1st island chain. ppl are ignored if they still think china is same china in the 90's or even early 2000s. and they need read the 500 page pentagon report on china currently military, I did.

    their 52c/d destroyer is top 10 in the world, maybe even top5. their diesel sub is getting better and better, the j10b is on par vs f16 block d/e/f. what they doing is create small batch of advance equipment, test/R&D then improve it after few years, they continue do this until they satisfy with the system, then mass produce it.. currently they only has 6 52c, 1 52d destroyer, but it shows they already capable to produce weapon very similar to US Arleigh Burke destoyer, with each variant the gap between us and them is getting narrower.

    there are few area they still lag behind, but they are quickly catching up. one is powerplant for ship/jets, another is SSN/SSBN, their sub is still loud, but getting better every few years.

    china would be very happen if all the DoD/pentagon think like you, underestimate/ignore them. There is a reason why we put 60% of our navy into pacific, and why it call pivot asia.

    you might want do a quick read on ACTUAL defense forum/ janes defense or check these link

    http://www.freewebs.com/jeffhead/redseadragon/index.htm

    http://www.freewebs.com/jeffhead/redseadragon/2015.htm
     
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    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    a normal door would not design like that. the reason there is a gap is because that part of area WAS Exterior(hence not water tight) before they convert to interior. they rushed and didn't design right. this seem fixed with other ships
     
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    How many countries produce their own destroyers and subs? Its not that hard to make the top ten list when only a dozen or so countries actually make their own equipment. Japan makes their stuff in conjunction with the US and its far superior to China's hardware.

    The links you provided are are from freewebs. :roflol:

    I do keep up with the latest from China and the fact is that they are still far behind US Navy ships that have been around for decades. One of the reasons they wanted to have people on board our aircraft carriers during exercises is because they don't even know how to maintain their own equipment and they want to see how the US crews do maintenance. Not knowing how your own ships work is kind of a big deal you know.
     
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    not gonna going back forth on this with you, you belief whatever you like. there are shortcoming in plan, and there are strong points. suggest goto an actual defense forum like defensetalk, or sinodefenceforum on china defense, there are plenty knoweldge ppl know more than you do.
     
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    You are lecturing me on which websites to use when you posted freewebs? :roflol:

    China's military is a joke. You claim it will take them 50 years to catch up, the US caught up with the other European powers in less than 10 years. Chinese society lacks creativity and ingenuity. It was crushed under 60 years of single party rule. The Secretariat runs the entire country and they are a handful of political appointees chosen primarily for their loyalty to the General Secretary, instead of ability. This is precisely the same reason the Soviet's constantly lagged behind the US and its the reason China will always lag as well. The problem China faces is that if there is no authoritarian power, whether its the CPC or Qing dynasty or Mongols or Manchurians or whomever, China would splinter apart. Its not normal for China to be one monolithic country, most of its history it was divided.
     
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    all i heard is yapping, like i said goto actual defense forum and have a least semi-professionally discussion on things. anyway not gonna debate someone who only has speculation/opinion rather than provide credible links etc. goto site i mention and discuss there, rather than post pointless bias opinions.
     
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    Do know what freewebs even is?

    http://www.webs.com/

    It's a web building site. Any hack can create whatever they want and put it up on their blog. Those are the two sites that you posted earlier.
     
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    do you know the author of that website. go ask around in sinodefence forum or just goto janes defense there are plenty article on china military.

    https://www.sinodefenceforum.com or defensetalk or other forum that at least has some ppl who study chinese military for years.
     
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