Chinese fighter jets conduct unsafe maneuver near US aircraft/ again?

Well according to the mainland Chinese it is, but not according to the Chinese who live in Taiwan, it isn't.

So given that Taiwanese fled the mainland for their lives... it's the way it is for a reason.


I'm a Brit by the way, Our fleet ran away 20 years ago. But we'd love to come and show you one of our ships. We make them. They are for sale. We don't mind showing it you in a warzone, we're game.

 

Same argument about Russian aircraft in international airspace near the UK or US.
Both have the right to be there but the airspace in question is claimed by China and not America.
America has no claims at all in the region and is totally untouched by any Chinese island building. The islands present no navigation hazard and doesn't close any sea lanes.
The Chinese history of wars since 1945 is tiny but they face an aggressor that has started more wars than any other nation in the history of the planet.
I can easily understand why they get ratty when US spy planes get close to their bases.

 

The old Chinese government and a few rich people fled 70 years ago, and are all very probably dead by now.
Interestingly, the great support of democracy, the US, kept their unelected government in power for many years, even though that government suppressed political ideas other than their own and the 'white terror' martial law period was the longest in the history of the world.
Deportation of political prisoners to green island was the norm - some pals the US keeps in power.
They have elections now but that took a very long time.

 

Ask a Chinese.
You probably conclude that most actually fled 35 to 40 years ago.

 

I think you need to prove your claim in order to validate it.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chine...ation_.28late_20th_century.E2.80.93present.29

More liberalized emigration policies enacted in the 1980s facilitated the legal departure of increasing numbers of Chinese who joined their overseas Chinese relatives and friends.

The signing of the United States-China Consular Convention in 1983 demonstrated the commitment to more liberal emigration policies. Both sides agreed to permit travel for the purpose of family reunification and to facilitate travel for individuals who claim both Chinese and United States citizenship.

lots of info about it.

 

Where does that mention Taiwan?
I may be a little tired this morning but I couldn't find a single mention of that breakaway Chinese state.

 

you said when the Chinese fled. Chinese... like China... it doesnt need to be Taiwan.

 

The subject was Taiwan, not a general moving around of expats mostly leaving for work or business.
I contend the old Chinese government fled to Taiwan in 1947 and those people are pretty much all dead, thus have no claim to the rest of China.
Taiwan was part of China but broke away without a vote thus is still part of China.

 

Yes, but the Mainland Chinese government doesn't like all Chinese people. It killed them by the tens of million in living memory.
Because the people in Taiwan are China's previous rulers. The enemy.
They had this big war and all tried to kill each other. Many millions died. Mao's revolution.

The American position is simply this, it's up the Taiwanese.
They live there, they get to choose.
What you think is right or wrong doesn't matter because it doesn't involve you.

So if you are not Taiwanese, no one needs to listen to your wishes for Taiwan.

And this a strong argument. Very strong. Just like the navy they back it up with.

 

No they don't. The Brits left 20 years ago. The Italians were never there at all.

 

I was thinking of the terrorist nation we know as the US of Arse.

 

The Chinese have likely had more wars then them.
6,000 years of recorded history.

Gengis Khan might be able to match their entire score on his own.

 

The Chinese government has only been in power since 1947 so we have to compare that to other nations' wars from that time.
The Chinese have had two small things, one started by India, but the US has invaded a lot of countries and conducted massive terrorist strikes in a lot more.

 

The US government has only been in power for about 6 months.

Draw arbitrary lines where it suits you best. I do.

China has terrorist troubles too. They have a border with Afghanistan and always have.
They didn't build the Great Wall for no reason.

They invaded Korea, they invaded Vietnam.
This lovely battle makes me smile.






Vs the Jap!

A giant navalised water pistol fight!

 

The United States as a country, has been invading a heck of a lot countries... even helping out with removing elected leaders so they can be replaced with fascists. Compared to that, the peoples republic of China has hardly done this.

That is what indofred meant. And no Ghengis Khan has a thing to do with it. Besides, I know Chinese like to pretend he was Chinese... but the guy was a Mongolian who conquered China.

 

Well you can't have it both way, China as a country has been around for millenia and has done plenty of bad **** too.
America? Just getting started.
And if you want to check the casualties rates for the last 50 years, you'll find than compared to China, America has been positively mellow.

I get it, America kills people.
But that doesn't make them bad people. It's a rough old world mate.
And the Chinese? No angels.

There a few innocents left in this world.

 

you do know under international law UNCLOS, transit through countries exclusive economic zone EEZ has to be peaceful, meaning spy mission is not peaceful manner. The route we went through is 130mile SE of their MAJOR naval base(EEZ extend 200 nautical miles from mainland), i highly doubt it was a peaceful mission. but hey i guess china will just import NK coal again. Not a good way to do things when we need something from them.