Chinese Navy Kicks Out US warship From Territorial Waters

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  1. Jeannette

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    Are we heading towards a war with China as well as Iran, because things are getting crazier and crazier.

    According to the PLA (People's Liberation Army), the USS Barry a guided missile destroyer, had trespassed into Beijing's territorial waters near the disputed Xisha (Paracel) islands on Tuesday. Beijing's navy scrambled fighter Jets and naval ships to escort it away and accused Washington of provocative actions at sea.

    According to the Global Times, this is the first time that the American navy had actively committed an illegal trespass in the area.

    A US warship trespassing into Chinese territorial waters off the Xisha Islands in the #SouthChinaSea on Tue could have potentially caused an accident, and the US should focus on controlling #COVID19 at home rather than destabilizing security and peace. https://bit.ly/2YdceuV

    “The US' provocative actions seriously violated international law and related norms, seriously violated Chinese sovereignty and security interests, and intentionally increased regional security risks,” said Senior Colonel Li Huamin, a spokesperson of the PLA Southern Theater Command, adding that the action could have led to an “accident.”

    We urge the US side to focus on epidemic prevention and control on its homeland... and immediately stop military actions against regional security, peace and stability.

    In the meantime Pompeo made an announcement towards China over the coronavirus, while Beijing hit back by insinuating that the US military may have had a hand in the original Covid-19 outbreak in Wuhan.
    "There are multiple labs that are continuing to conduct work, we think, on contagious pathogens inside of China today. And we don't know if they are operating at a level of security to prevent this [pandemic] from happening again. Remember this isn't the first time that we've had a virus come out of China", Pompeo stated.

    What's the US hiding?’ Beijing slams Washington’s Covid-19 response & ‘desperate’ attempts to pin blame on China









     
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    Vastly enriching communist china driven by the greed for max profits for our elites was insanity and that has been my position from the get go.

    As usual the rich elites create all of our dangers and serious problems because of the greed for gold er money.

    And our govt keeps indulging them !!

    Our elites via our politicians have created this monster Fact Jack . For max profit via sweat shop labor and lax environmental regs.

    After we spent trillions and lives fighting the commie revolution! Just so big banking and corporations and the elites who own the common stock could max out profits by disemboweling Americans.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Kissinger who was the Secretary of State under Nixon, urged him to open up to China to split them up them from the Soviet Union. Well here we are today. I don't believe though that China's to blame for anything, other than the enslavement of it's own people. But that's their problem, while we have imposed ourselves on other nations with our regime change manipulations, our wars and disregard for international law.

    In the case of territorial rights, I see China as being right. We shouldn't be testing China's resolve. Also for a nation like us that has bio labs surrounding Russia in Ukraine, Georgia and Kazachstan, and now wants to build one in the jungle of Brazil, we shouldn't be laying blame on China and on a lab in which we were heavily involved.
     
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    Oh china can be blamed for nefarios business dealings and theft .And for some reason they inyroduce the world to deadly viruses. Decades ago I read in some biological publication that most flu originates in china that moves from animals to people Seems like the reason given had something to do with their relationships to animals used for food.

    CChina is to blame for this viral pandemic if they had it to escape from that lab. Or if they knew people could catch it but lied early on about that as accused .

    Claiming the south chins sea as Chinese territory because they created man made islands there is wrong given international llaw that limits ocean ownership to 17 miles from their land mass. Contolling that part of the ocean is attempted theft and it is an important route for transportation of trade goods.

    I agree with you on many aspects of US actions in the world and that we dont abide by international law that our wiser people helped to write post ww2 . Nor our neocon foreign policy that is what a rogue state would do if able.

    I dont like our hypocrisy towards Russia and what wwe did after the ussr broke up. The communism of the old ussr died and we didnt treat them responsibly nor wisely. I dont believe Russia is any more evil than the US indeed no one can match us. Due to our size and wealth. That we have common interests with Russia yet will not work with them is treating Russia as if they are the ussr and the communist revolution . That is stupidly irresponsible imo.

    We hold Russia to higher standards than we hold ourselves to and that is a big problem . We also will not tecognize Russia has national security rights and reasonable national interests in general. Such sstupidity.

    In regards to china anytime you have a rising empire and another existing empire more often than not it ends up in war ! A historic fact.

    That our elites enriched china and gave them the store in return for their cents on the dollar labor that our govt allowed is the insanity and utter stupidity . We created the current problem of china driven by simple greed. As our own people suffer from it.

    In essence if we ever go to war with them the blame is on our greedy elites and govt that allowed the rise of a communist state that is a natu enemy of democracy and human rights.
     
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    It is disputed territory, I believe it is more likely Vietnam territory as acknowledged and decided by the international courts
     
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    citation needed from an unbiased source to support this claim.
     
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    China as usual is playing games.

    Pretty much the whole world agrees China is trying to control international waters which happens to be a major trade route.
     
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    Our ships shouldn't be in territorial waters of any other nation without permission. But we should defend ourselves any means necessary in any and all international waters.
     
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    When you say the whole world, what countries do you mean? Please specify, because I'm sure no nation would agree with what you said.

    As for China playing games, how could they be playing games when their whole economy is dependent on exports? Making sure that the shipping lanes are open so they will be able to ship their goods is a matter of life and death for China. It's not for us though. The only reason we are there, is to maintain our dominance in the Far East - and to watch over some corporate investments.

    China started their new silk roads a few years back, because they feared someday they might be blockaded by our 7th fleet.
     
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    Too bad the US is so addicted to Chinese goods.
    Breaking that habit would eliminate most of the need to travel the SCS.
     
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    Totally agree
     
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    I'm not sure you fully understand Communist regimes and what that means for human rights.
    Or, are you simply saying you don't see much value in human rights?
    China is a danger to human rights.

    The South China Sea has been recognized as International waters for a very long time other than several miles from the coast.
    The artificial reefs they made were not built on land that belonged to China.
    China is staking a claim on an entire sea. International waters.
    Would you say the same if the USA claimed the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean as property of the USA?
    The USA doesn't even claim to own the Gulf of Mexico. But you feel it's fine for China to start claiming Seas as their own?

    China surpassed the USA in economic purchasing power last year by a sizeable margin.
    Let's not feel "sorry" for poor little China.

    Finally, you make it sound as if China is threatened by the US.
    If anything, the US has submitted to China so that US corporations could enjoy windfall profits from cheap Chinese labor.
    China is just now developing secrets the US would see value in stealing, so for decades the US has been under attack from Chine in CyberSpace
    and stolen perhaps trillion in intellectual property.

    Vietnam feels China is trying to steal their territorial waters. They've recently lodged numerous International complaints. There are others.
     
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    That island is like 60 miles closer to China than to Vietnam.
    And the US has no business to be there.
     
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    The US is also a danger to human rights. For instance, they supported the genocidal hunger campaign against the people of Yemen. They also demanded the oil for food program that had a side effect of prohibiting the sale of chlorine to Iraq that caused a massive carnage under young children who were made to drink contaminated water. Albright knew, had no problem with it. And with that, plenty of other examples that you don't see the Chinese do.

    And besides that China is communistic.
    You aware that Vietnam flag is red with a star? That's a massive hint about their political idea's.
     
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    According to Jenny.....you'll have take her "word" for it.....or check with RT.....a .RU urinal.
     
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    I'm more concerned about our own human rights, and a government controlled by the same people that control the media. This gives them license to lie to us incessantly and without qualms. Pravda anyone?

    Those islands were built on Chinese territorial waters which is legal. They did it to extend their territorial waters even further, which is kind of shrewd of them - although I do understand their concern. They have 1 1/2 billion people who are dependent on freighters carrying their goods out of China and the last thing they want is a blockade.

    Our 7th fleet sailing up and down their shore has to be very frightening considering our aggressive actions these past decades. It has to be a lot more frightening than if we saw Chinese and Russians fleets sailing up and down our shores since we're not as dependent on exports.

    China is not staking a claim on an entire sea, it just wants our 7th fleet to get the hell out of the S. China Sea since we have no business being there other than to threaten China.

    Now you're joking? You forget how many countries we bombed and are occupying illegally - not to mention all our coups and regime changes. As an example, we refuse to leave Syria and have soldiers guarding the wells so we can steal the oil to pay the terrorists. We are not claiming a sea, we have claimed the whole damn world through coups, regime changes, invasions, occupations, etc., etc..

    No one is feeling sorry for China. They can stand up for their rights, but let's not get carried away and accuse them of doing what we have been doing for decades because it only plays into the hands of the war mongers.
     
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    I don't agree that putting fake islands extends your rights to more territorial water.

    11 miles isn't it?

    You get 11 miles from your mainland or natural islands.
     
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    Chinese Navy Kicks Out US warship From Territorial Waters

    The US doesn't consider it Chinese territorial waters.
     
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    In other words the Chinese are stealing. Which is expected as they've been stealing intellectual property from the U.S. for years.
     
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    Who gives a damn about international courts? Not the US government, that's for sure.
     
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    Of course we don't. International "law" is not binding (and cannot be binding) upon the United States.
     
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    ^ That is categorically false.


    Yes, they are, and we are protecting the shipping lanes in international waters.
     
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    The PLA (Chinese military)? The Global Times?

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    Sputnik news? Russia Today?


    Do you seriously expect this commie propaganda to be taken seriously?​
     
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    No, two of the world's greatest military powers are not about to go to war over this long-standing disagreement over territorial rights, no matter how RT and Sputnik (lol) hype it up, no more than the US and Russia would go to war over their mutual intercepts of aircraft near their respective territorial airspaces.
     
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