I have heard "Chivalry is dead" But I am wondering what women think on this. did it "Die" when women wanted to be on their own more? Not many guys will walk into a building and hold the door a bit more for the next guy to grab it and hold it open, But several still do this. (I do this) I rarely (Personal experience) see women do this for others. Do you think when women said "We Can do this" Its what changed many guys opinions on "Lets help our ladies"? I still do a lot of what I used to growing up with my grandfather that he used to. (old Cowboy) But I have been scoulded for it by women and was wondering what everyone else's thought was.
I dont think its "dead" necessarily, maybe just harder to find. And yes, maybe some of it is our fault by way of the feminist movement. (whichever ladies thought that it would make us look weak to have doors held open for us should be shot) But I also think its just a lack of being taught. As the generations have gone by less and less manners are being taught by the older generations. Not to anyones fault, just seems the way things are going. I am only 35 and trust me...I wish SOME things of the 1950s would come back.
I think its very sweet when a guy will show some courtesy like that. Im glad you stick to what you believe in. You'd get a nice smile from me, and I'd say thank you.
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It sure is dead alright. But I'm still clinging on to it. Being a gentleman is the ideal, and it's worth striving for.
Chivalry is only dead in the eyes of a feminist, for those lesbos are man-haters from hell. I would no sooner open a door for a feminist then I would allow one of them near me or near my children.
Sorry for the late reply. I was vieweing some of the video's on chivalry and theres two that caught my attention. The first one (Sorry I cant remember the name of them) Was talking about Disrespect being the new Chivalry. It showed an older lady who was saying that the kids now a days have none, But its no ones fault that they dont have any...Do you all think this is true? I personally think this is something you pass down and show. But then again, Now a days you cant "Expect" it. I have two neices and I show them that you always treat your elders with respect, and always when we eat, Grandparents, Parents and then children (At least thats how I am so I eat Last) Women then men. (This varies on family some serve the men first and then the children and women, not something I agree with but have had a meal served like this) Its mostly your "comfort zone" The other video I saw was something with 2 women and 2 guys, and a crew talking about it and one lady caught my attention when she said "I Expect it" But then, But then she said something that if you expect it you hold yourself at a higher value and I dont know about anyone, But I have personally not opened doors for people (rarely) Who will stand there who expect me to do things. Ive literally walked up to a lady infront of a door and a guy standing behind her confused, I will ask him in a low voice "Whats up? Whats wronge with the door?" and his reply was "I dont know this lady's just standing infront of it" o.0 I grabed the handle and started to slip past her till she sighed heavily "Finally a gentlemen" o.0 I just thought she didnt want to get in or someone sneezed on the handle (I threw my gloves on before grabbing handle)
How would you know? What if you went out and two well dressed women walked torwdes you and you were leaving would you hold the door for both or ask them "So which one of you is a feminist lesbian?" o.0 Does it matter? What if it was a guy would you hold the door a bit longer for him to reach for it and walk in? Would that matter?
Could not agree more. The only people I'd slam the door on are feminazis. Can't stand them. They act like crotchety old hags and wonder why nobody likes them. If they all died a horrific death in a wood chipper I would say "good riddance to bad rubbish." Basically, I behave as a gentleman towards women until they earn otherwise, then I put on the Captain ******** beret until they learn some respect and courtesy. You get what you give in most things in life. If they want to be treated like a man, I'll treat them like a man. They want to be treated like a lady, they better act like one. Feminazis are a real challenge to my otherwise normal Christian behavior towards others.
Evidently you haven't been out in public that much to notice the glaring oddities that make up the overall appearance of a feminist. Without exception they are ugly, they have short hair (sometimes mohawk style, often done in 3 shades of purple or orange), they give off that lesbo/butch aura by wearing men's trousers, combat boots and almost always have a manbag over their square shoulders which contains an oversized dildo or two. So no, these feminists will not be well dressed, nor will I be mistaking them for a real woman.
I don't believe chivalry is dead. My husband opens doors for me, and I appreciate it very much. I was raised by a true gentleman, and he taught me how a real man treats a woman.
I might be WAY out here in the sticks or something I have met women/youge ladys dressed like that who have said thank you when I hold a door open. Where are you from that you see more people like that? The ones out here are "Goth" From my understanding or "Hippies" out this way o.0...
Spade, opening a door for someone no matter what your sex or their sex is does not make the person. It is not the crux of the whole feminist movement. NO one said that since women have acheived some sort of equality that no one needs to be respectful of, or polite to, other HUMANS. Have you really been scolded for holding a door open...c'mon, really. And even if you have it doesn't mean all women hate all men or don't want them to be respectful or polite...but respect shouldn't be reserved for one sex. I had a guy at work trying to open the door for me while he balances a large cardboard box, a laptop, and his lunch...my hands were free and I held the door for him...just common sense, common courtesy...if he felt offended...well, think that over...why would he feel offended if women aren't suppose to. - - - Updated - - - So a man who holds a door open won't ever beat his wife or cheat on her or rob banks?????
Well Thats my thing too, IS Chivalry isnt really about sex (Genders) Its Politeness, However I have been scoulded for opening a door, and I have also been that guy holding a box and still haveing to open a door for a lady who did not think to help me or want to open her own door. Its not really uncommon now a days. Ive had a guy give me a dirty look and pump his chest out when I opened the door for my girl and let his walk in as well like I was going to pick her up and take her from him. Reading the post above had to edit this in. I used the opening of a door because its the most simplest form and its one of the most "Common Courtesys"
Just because SOME people were rude doesn't mean they all are. If chivalry means demeaning women into little helpless things that can't open those great big doors all by their little selves then GOOD...it should be dead. I think it's more important for HUMANS to be thoughtful and considerate to each other... Sorry you picked the "Door Opening" thing because in just about evey discussion I've ever had on women's equality SOMEBODY just HAS to bring up, "But I like doors being held for me"....as if this huge issue of sexual equality hinges on doors being held or not....(pun not intended)
I believe chivalry, in all its forms, is simply being considerate, and really has nothing to do with sexual equality.
If this is a Humans should be more thoughtful and considerate, Then Why do people make the term "Chivalry is Dead" I also never said All Women are rude (That I am aware of will re-read my post's). Its just a nice thing I think people used to do to be curtious to others (Male or Female). Also I am not trying to say women are fragile little creatures, (I do however know my mother has trouble opening the door to my pickup truck) But its something nice I used to see more often. Like I said "Door Opening" Was one of the more common, Visual things you would of seen when people were being nice and curtious to each other. (More Common, More spoken about) Now with that said Ive even seen older couples (well in their 60+) who have to use a cane or such who might have trouble opening one of the many wooden doors (Some places out to eat this way use thick, heavy doors for decor) and see people insulting them for not "hurrying" up so they can get in. God forbid (Or whoever you choose to worship, pray or ignore too) that you are in that condition one day, But I would like to hope someone would at least go to assist you in at least "opening the door" for you.
I don't know why people say stupid, trite , meaningless phrases like "Chivalry is dead"....maybe they're just stupid and can't think of anything else to say. I never said you said all women are rude. I posted :Just because SOME people were rude doesn't mean they all are. I tried to explain to you that men who insist on opening doors for for women? Well, some women view this as demeaning as if they can't open the door themselves and if it wasn't demeaning men wouldn't mind having doors opened for them. As to the elderly, I don't know why you mentioned them because it comes under the heading of " Be considerate of EVERYONE, not just the cute chick ya want to impress with your manly strength at opening a door" And by "you " I mean a general you.
Charity: benevolent goodwill toward or love of humanity Humility: A modest or low view of one's own importance; humbleness or modesty Integrity:firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values; incorruptible Valor: strength of mind or spirit that enables a person to encounter danger with firmness : personal bravery or courage Altruism: unselfish regard for or devotion to the welfare of others Loyalty: A strong feeling of support or allegiance Resolute: Admirably purposeful, determined, and unwavering; determined Yielding: to be productive and never a useless drone"" Great ideals for all HUMANS...and all HUMANS have shown these traits throughout history....and some HUMANS have not. Nowadays I call it being a decent HUMAN ..."chivalry" makes it sound like only men should have these ideals or traits..when it's obvious all HUMANS have these traits in varying degrees.
By the aforementioned definition I'd definitely not fall within the bounds of chivalric conduct, though as an adherent to virtue ethics I feel that it is important to strive for a certain moral ideal - or emulate a perfectly excellent person - even though in reality I often fall well short of doing so with great success. My list of eight especially worthwhile virtues are: Vigilance: Be mindful of potential threats in ones defense of the dignity and happiness of all. Discipline: Be committed always and submit to uphold principles that are greater than oneself. Compassion: Be gentle, kind, merciful, and empathetic - especially for the weak or suffering. Ambition: Be inspired to labor and do commendable deeds by lofty yet attainable aspirations. Responsibility: Be worthy of trust and plan for a better future rather than behaving impulsively. Magnificence: Be willing to go beyond token gestures of morality to perform grand ones, too. Modesty: Be tolerant, open-minded, unassuming, and do not think oneself superior to others. Reverence: Be courteous to others and also show profound respect for all that seems sacred. Incidentally, I do not consider this a women's rights issue, and reject traditional gender roles. I reckon men and women should not hold each other or their selves to different sets of expectations when it comes to etiquette and moral conduct.
I hold the door for women (or men encumbered by stuff) all the time. I have never been scolded, although I have been looked at like I was a neanderthal.
