Choice - fact or illusion

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by Ready Aim Fire, Feb 20, 2014.

  1. Vicariously I

    Vicariously I Well-Known Member

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    What about your mind and the way it works isn't biological? Do you tell the synapses in your brain to fire or you subconscious to reject information gathered through experiences or tell your subconscious to not allow certain experiences to not influence your perception? Your conscious mind thinks one thought for every million your subconscious thinks. Every millisecond of every moment your brain is behaving and thinking not only without your consent but without your conscious knowledge. There is mountains of data, that points to free will being an impossibility on many levels and so far every time I've asked no one has provided anything to support the idea of free will other than to say it just makes sense on some level. How many people have you met that were not influence by their childhood? Everything we experience changes and influences us on various levels, there is no way around it.

    Pre-determinism is not determinism. Who ever has said the above is a fool because it is simply not true. Determinism simply says the chemical make-up of their brain, genetics, and their experience made them what they are. A mentally retarded person cannot will themselves to be like everyone else for obvious biological reasons anymore than a person with a psychopaths brain can.

    Again determinism is not pre-determinism or fatalism. Not having free will doesn't have anything to do with everything being pre-ordained.

    My views are clearly not exempt however I did not come to this view by choice or because I felt it was right. I had a great deal of trouble with it for years actually and even got in arguments with friends over the idea that I didn't have free will. Science is the reason I have changed my views however stubborn I may be the more I let go of what I wanted to be true the harder it was to deny the evidence.

    Where are our thoughts before we think them?

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