Chris Smith radio 2GB talks to Proffesor John Christy lead author of IPCC report

Interesting to hear from the prof that Australia's contribution to world AGW is minute and that energy is suppose to be relatively cheap and available to all peoples of the Earth to maintain a good standard of living.

If Australia ruins her economy by placing a carbon tax on its people and its resources another country will rise to take her place, fill the void, at the moment we are a big supplier in natural resources.

Gillard is trying to ruin our advantage, not only that but our standard of living will drop with a carbon tax.

John Christy lead author of IPCC report.

"The rest of the world should be thanking Australia for providing so many natural resources that we use"

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How so?

For most it should make no difference. For the better off, they can suck it up.

 

I can believe you would make a statement like that.

Its not rocket science, everything will go up simple as that.

All your energy bills for starters, then what about everyday goods that get packaged in plastic which comes from oil.

What about petrol and diesel and LPG, i'm sure somewhere along the line these guys will get in on the act.

What about after 3 years when we go to a world ETS, it wont be in the control of our government anymore, and i dont think Ju-Liar will help us meet the price of a world ETS.

We will be in the hands of the UN, Wall street and the bankers.

Its been estimated that when we enter the world ETS the price for emitting pollution will be $A29 per tonne.

Will Ju-Liar make up this short fall, will our wages go up to match this jump?

Then it can only mean one thing, our standard of living will go down since everything else will go up except our wages.

 

Good.

We're wealthy by world standards, we can suck it up.

For those that very few that genuinely can't, direct more tax revenue to them by way of assistance. Problem solved, jesus.

All that stuff about an ETS is completely different to a carbon tax - it's exactly why i support the tax over an ETS. Don't get you're arguments inter-twined.

 

Carbon tax is on stuff that gets burned, so plastic doesn't count. If it did, you would need a metric tonne of glad wrap to have the full impact of that $23. I doubt you use that much in a life time.

Do you know how much the carbon tax will increase the price of coal as a percentage? I think it's about 4%.

There are massive ads on tv going on about how we will not be able to export coal and compete in the global market, but guess what? The tax is only on coal that gets burned here. The ads are a complete lie.

And they go on about job losses in the industry. Their ad campaign has cost over $100M, how about keeping people on instead of blowing that cash on ads?

And your ETS argument, that's hilarious. Tony Abbott is going to use tax payers money, billions of dollars, to buy carbon permits for Australian coal, who export about $60 billion per year anyway.

The good thing about the carbon tax is that a big portion of that amount is going to get used in renewables. Why do we need renewables? Because coal wont last forever.

If you don't change your habits, price of living will go up by 0.7% from the carbon tax. Inflation is over 3%. If you change your habits, I think your price of living could go down by quite a few percent.

As Australia gets more renewable energy, your quality of life can only go up..

 

I think we have lost sight of what the carbon tax is really all about.

No.1 reason is to clean the atmosphere, encourage renewable energy etc etc.

Its not about farming and distributing carbon credits.

But i ask you how will a carbon tax or ETS contribute to cleaning the environment when all the companies will increase their carbon footprint in the next couple of years.

Buying carbon credits to offset their carbon footprint is not about cleaning up the Earth, it's about wheeling and dealing on the stock exchange.

So we're going to get slugged with a tax to clean the world yet it will have nothing to do with cleaning the world.

Everything will rise except your wages of course, in my books that is definetly a drop in the standard of living.

I want to clean the Earth up i'm not against this, introducing a carbon tax will do nothing to achieve this goal, and will enslave us to the markets and the manipulators who run them.

There are better more direct ways of actually reducing our carbon footprint the carbon tax is the biggest hoax our government has fed us in a while.

 

Your only valid point IMO, and a good question. If we introduced a carbon price of >$60 tonne, it would impact the economy more than ~$20. If you really want effective action, you would advocate a much higher price while remembering that we are the most carbon emitting people on the planet. $60 would be a pretty hard wall for some, why not start somewhere and ramp it up later?

Are you genuine? You don't believe that carbon is a pollution (or didn't).

What are the better ways? Short of the government building and owning dozens of clean power plants (of all clean types) there's no other way that doesn't involve us paying out many billions to corporations. Of course, we'd have to pay them to build the plants, but at least they wouldn't then own it. I'd be in favour of this proposal (taxpayer owns it). I don't know though, it might even be more expensive.

 

WHY ARE YOU ADVOCATING for ANTI-CAPITALIST TECHNOCRACY? Western Societes are NOT supposed to do that.

"Just suck it up"?? That is a narrow minded and intolerant viewpoint, and not valid!

 

Raising the price of carbon credits will do little to ACTUALLY clean up the environment and plenty to decrease our quality of life.

Real effective measures are already in existence but these polluters will not spend money unecessarly to get the latest technology.

Eletrostic precipitators
Filter bags
Scrubbers
Co2 capture/injection

Simply they should be made to do so by law, just as in the past thats the only real way to clean up our act.

Hey recusant we are a carbon life form we eat the (*)(*)(*)(*) thing we breath and drink it and also crap it out.

Does that mean we are pollution.

Next time your having a soft drink or an ale just think about it, you are drinking Co2, if it wqas a pollutant would you be drinking it??????

 

Wow. I wholeheartedly agree. If only, if only Of course, they'd pass on those costs. BUT, we could regulate to ensure they could only make so much money. Heh, the end of capitalism as we know it.

Well, i don't drink softdrink.. is Guiness an ale? I have that maybe twice a year. And you know, if my diet consisted of a lot more of either - i'd be an unhealthy person. I think you know where i'm going with this.. need i continue?

 

Go get them girl

The end of capitalism is as assured as the collapse of the Roman empire, and for much the same reasons

 

Visigoths?

 

Maybe we need something new, like Reasonableism, Thoughtfulism, Peopleism or Planetism? Maybe we have it already, maybe it is just a bit "Green" yet.

But it is growing, like trees and flowers should be. And man's humanity to should also be growing.

Greenism, wow what a beautiful thought.

Countries would be rated by their humanitarianism, environmentalism and sustainability rather than the GDP.

Maybe a more benevolent direction and we could give our grandchildren a good legacy.

 

LOL

How about Offwiththefairiesism?

 

You start your movement then, and I'll start mine. Say hello to the fairies for me, they will be at the bottom of my garden.