Chrissy Teigen openness about miscarriage gives strength to other women

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    https://www.usatoday.com/story/ente...-helps-others-pregnancy-struggles/5877379002/

    Chrissy Teigen shared on Instagram that she and John Legend suffered a pregnancy loss, and more than 7 million people responded.

    "It's one of the most horrendous experiences a human being can go through ... The grieving and the sadness is unmeasurable," echoes Dr. Janelle Luk, Medical Director of Generation Next Fertility in New York City and a former OB-GYN.
    "Not many people want to talk about loss. It's amazing for someone with Teigen's status to talk about, 'Hey, it happens to me, too.' "

    Teigen, often described as the unofficial Queen of Twitter, had kept fans up-to-date in real-time on her difficult and scary third pregnancy.

    It has been nearly 20 years since Patricia Walters-Fischer suffered a miscarriage at 19 weeks, but Teigen’s post still offered her some comfort.
    "It's not just today that the loss happens," Walters-Fischer said. "She will remember the birthday ... We plan that child's life to the age of 18 ... Those moments continue to mentally happen."

    Teigen has long been a public figure many women turn to in difficult times due to her candor about issues related to pregnancy. She has previously detailed her IVF journey as well as her struggle with postpartum depression.

    Teigen wrote this on Instagram:

    We are shocked and in the kind of deep pain you only hear about, the kind of pain we've never felt before. We were never able to stop the bleeding and give our baby the fluids he needed, despite bags and bags of blood transfusions. It just wasn't enough.​

    We never decide on our babies' names until the last possible moment after they're born, just before we leave the hospital. But we, for some reason, had started to call this little guy in my belly Jack. So he will always be Jack to us.

    We are so grateful for the life we have, for our wonderful babies Luna and Miles, for all the amazing things we've been able to experience. But everyday can't be full of sunshine. On this darkest of days, we will grieve, we will cry our eyes out. But we will hug and love each other harder and get through it.​

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    I wonder if it's also equally as devastating if a woman simply gets an abortion.
    Maybe women are just reluctant to talk about it?

    Maybe it was hard in this case because the woman actually saw her baby?
    I suppose she simply could have just refused to look. Maybe that would have been easier on her?

    Look how this woman fought to get pregnant. Going to the great trouble and expense of IVF treatments. Looks like she really wanted that baby.
    Oh, well, I guess she can try again...

    This brings us back to the question, is it only devastating for the woman, or rather is there something else more innately tragic in these circumstances?

    I mean, if the woman loaded herself up on happy pills and didn't feel a thing emotionally, would everything just be peachy?

    Do we only care about what the woman wants?
    It's devastating because the woman wanted something and she didn't get it?
    Would anyone try to argue that?


    Maybe women who get abortions are afraid to LET themselves feel...
     
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  2. FoxHastings

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    Why do you wonder?

    Why TF don't you ask women who had abortions?





    So what if they are? That's their right....they hardly owe YOU an explanation...


    What TF are you going on about??? This woman had a MISCARRIAGE NOT AN ABORTION...


    That's about as cold hearted and callous as one can get.

    DON'T YOU BELIEVE ALL LIVES ARE PRECIOUS ????????





    What ARE you going on about?

    A woman has a miscarriage and in a TWISTED way you want to bring abortion into it?

    Why? Because your other threads failed so miserably?
     
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    We had a miscarriage 26 years ago. We were only in our first month, but it still was pretty miserable. I can't imagine getting this far along only to lose the baby. I hope they can get past this and not forget the kids they have.
     
  4. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow, getting a little defensive there, aren't we FoxHastings?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was obviously being highly sarcastic, trying to elicit a response

    Great, glad you can agree it is devestating.

    But WHY is it devastating?

    I mean if the baby is only a thing, a commodity, the woman can always have another one. She can still get what she wants (albeit she'll have to wait another year).
    So it seems this can't be said to truly be about just the woman.
     
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    What a pathetic, disgusting take on this story.

    Ew.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But you know there may be some truth to what I'm saying.
    That's why you are disgusted. You wouldn't find it disgusting if it were otherwise.
     
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    You launched a callous attack with zero care for any of the people involved purely to try to promote your personal political preferences. You clearly wanted to trigger that kind of response. Nothing you've posted actually reflects on any of the realities of abortion and I can only hope that is merely innocent ignorance on your part rather than part of a calculated political operation.
     
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    Maybe a little bit from column A, and a little bit from column B.

    Can I ask why it doesn't reflect on the realities of abortion?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe you mistook biting sarcasm for callousness.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, and your point is? Are they really that different?

    (well, you know, besides the fact one of them were intentional and the other one beyond her control)
     
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    The OP is a disingenuous EXPLOITATION of the GRIEF of losing a WANTED pregnancy as a NEFARIOUS means to BLUDGEON women who have UNWANTED pregnancies!

    That says VOLUMES about the OP's motives.

    sad!
     
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    So either way you don't care about the people involved, you're just playing politics.

    Because it's about miscarriage and then you just tacked on your "sarcastic" speculation and ignorance about abortion at the end for, as you've admitted, entirely political reasons.

    No, I saw through the thin veil of sarcasm to the underlying callousness.

    Maybe you'd have a better approach to this topic if, instead of starting from your unshifting political conclusion and trying to twist and force reality to fit it, you instead started considering the vast range of different real experiences of the millions of people this topic directly impacts and accept that this is no singular "right" answer to any of the multiple questions it actually raises.
     
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    You have no idea what you are talking about.
     
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    Because it was a miscarriage...
     
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    Phyically they are not different....one god(nature) does and one a doctor does...one a woman doesn't want and one a woman does want...


    I have tried to educate you on the difference between UNborn and born and you didn't seem to get it so I guess trying to show you the difference between UNwanted and wanted won't do any good..
     
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    Why do you bother to post and debate if you think you know what everyone thinks and means....are you God??
     
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    No defense, kazenatsu ? :)



    Uh, why do you need a stroy about a star having a miscarriage to further the crap.....didn't you know women have miscarriages everyday.....and they are not all stars???

    Didn't you know that !!!!!???
     
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    :applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause: Yuppers!!
     
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    Its all about feelings. Anti-abortion laws drive them underground and people feel good because it is out of sight. Its not about only caring about what a woman wants. Pregnant men have the freedom to choose as well :p
     
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    Do women only feel grief when the pregnancy was wanted?


    And, assuming a woman does only feel grief when the pregnancy was wanted, should we feel sympathy for them?
     
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    Here is a shocker for YOU.....each woman is different....they are not cattle and don't think like cattle.
    They think differently and feel differently and have different reactions and feelings...


    You may deny that but it's true...IF one knows any women they would know that to be true.



    What TF!!? You think there are rules for how "we" should feel???? That is BIZARRE!!!!!!


    You need to be told or advised on how to feel??! SWEET JAYSUS!
     
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    Can you help me interpret your word salad? All the words are English, but in that order.....

    What is your point?
     
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    Scientific studies have established that after having abortions for unwanted pregnancies women feel RELIEF!

    No one expects any sympathy from the misogynists who HATE women being able to exercise their RIGHTS.
     
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    If she only feels grief when she wanted the pregnancy, but not when she didn't want it, is the thing she is truly grieving for actually the baby?
    If there is a woman like this in that situation, then what she actually cares about is not being able to have a baby, rather than the life of the baby itself.
    Thus (if such a woman actually existed) her grieving would not actually be worth much sympathy.
     
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