Christian bakery wins 'gay cake' ruling from UK supreme court

Now you are diving for refuge in a strawman. I NEVER said religion had nothing to do with its criminalization and instead stated that it wasn't religion and politics that lead to its inclusion in the DSM. THAT was the so called science of psychology that brought about its inclusion.

 

Except is wasn’t as homosexuality didn’t, at the time or currently, meet their own imposed definition of mental illness.

So it wasn’t science.

It wasn’t some profound new breakthrough in research.

Which is why it was immediately removed upon its classification being questioned.

 

I've told you already I don't read links if you had proof you can post the text here. I think the reason you don't is because it's not proof.

 

What definition would that be? What is and is not a mental disorder constantly changes.

 

The characteristics in the DSM at the time.

 

So because something is difficult for you to understand it's not science?

Sounds like an argument from personal incredulity.

 

You mean the ones you don't have a clue as to what they were.

 

I asked what definition. You present it and then we will see how well I understand it. See if you are even aware of its content.

 

I have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Yeah, I know. Never stops you from jumping in the middle of what you have no idea about.

 

Your previous post was nonsensical.

 

No, your first statement above quoting and responding to my post made no sense.

 

Okay lol.

 

A psychiatric disorder has to cause significant distress or impairment of personal functioning — which homosexuality does not do. No study has ever shown this impairment to be a direct result of sexual orientation. Depression and substance abuse issues which have been tried to attributed to orientation have been discreted and attributed to societal pressures (aka bigots).

 

Substance abuse is attributed to a whole host of different things but a common cause is pain. The alienation that some people suffer when they are cut off or mistreated by their family. To say this is caused by homosexuality is completely dishonest.

 

Not under the standards of DSM1. That sounds like DSM5. What is and is not a mental disorder changes just about every time they release a new DSM

 

Amazing. It's as if the more we learn we then update our information sources to reflect that new knowledge.

 

'bigotry' is a 2-way street.

 

Kinda like being beaten with a baseball bat?

More like being lashed with a broom-head?

Neither's ideal but if I was a homosexual of that era I'd be crying out for the latter treatment rather than the former.

That's not to say that either approach was correct but since they had absolutely no one else in their corner at the time, maybe they just used whatever small stepping stones they could to advance themselves out of the hell holes others were forcing them into?

 

Our new politics. They voted whether to include it or not. The APA is on a mission to eliminate any stigma towards homosexuality.

 

What would you care if you don't believe the study of behavior is a science?

That's like a flat earther caring about what NASA says the surface of the moon is made of?

If you reject behavioral science you necessarily reject the concept of a mental illness.

 

I made no comments regarding "behavioral science" and my comments were regarding psychiatry. The people who identify, label and treat mental disorders. AND strangely enough, self appointed experts on homosexuality which they used to consider a mental disorder. Like I said, they now have an agenda to rid society of any stigma of homosexuality.

 

What stigma should be associated with homosexuality and why?

 

So you think actual medical doctors are quacks? That's even worse.

What's an expert on homosexuality?

 

Like I said. I don't view psychiatry as a science. Voting isn't a part of the scientific process. In the APA, it is the determinative factor. And an agenda to eliminate societal stigmas is also not a part of the scientific process.