Christian bakery wins 'gay cake' ruling from UK supreme court

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  1. Maquiscat

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    And how has SSM prevented that?
     
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    If you're a woman yes if you were a dude no.
    Gay men do not like dating bisexual men nor do heterosexual women. That's what I've observed at least.
     
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    Well.you know one now, albeit not necetin your part of the country.
     
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    Yeah really. I live in Texas, I have both Catholic and Protestant family members and none of them are that conservative.
     
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    I'm thinking he's living on the Jehovah's witness compound. I've run into Christians that vastly different views on this.
     
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    That's the problem with religion. It is highly personal. I follow the teachings of Christ. That makes me a Christian. You follow the teachings of Christ (I'm assuming based on your post), thus also making you a Christian. Thing is, we're interperting those teachings differently. So tell me, what teaching or example of Christ calls for forcing his teachings upon others by way of arms or law?
     
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    At one point, simply not being a Christian attracted the death penalty. Or have you forgotten the Inquisition and the Crusades?
     
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    Right now a lot of thought is going to epigenetics, which is the factors that dictate which genes are activated or not. This is why I state that sexual orientation is an innate trait, that is not choosen.
     
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    Major conceptual errors here. Just because your particular religion feels it is something to be overcome and fought against, doesn't make it unnatural. Beside wasn't it noted that the Bible calls for people for fight against their nature. Therefore these things must be natural. Additionally we observe the same behavior in quite a variety of animals, thus further reenforcing that it is indeed natural.
     
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    there are certainly sects of Christianity that not only accept homosexuality but they affirm it.
    And a Scotsman that sweetens their porridge it's not a true Scotsman but they just call themselves one.
     
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    Yes some people have done some pretty nasty things in the name of God.
     
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    An absolute falsehood. I won't call it a lie because I'm sure you actually believe it. And yes there is a proportion of gay men and straight women who would not engage with a bi male, I won't deny that. But it's not like it's that hard for bi men to find partners, or at least any harder than anyone else.
     
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    The argument that it's natural or unnatural seems to be a fallacious one because it always has the underpinnings that natural means good and unnatural means bad. This creates a logical dilemma, because things can be natural and also bad. They can be unnatural and very good and vice versa.
     
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    well you would be wrong on both counts because it's an observation I even said as much in the post you responded to

    well a bizarre phenomenon I encountered when I first came out was that homosexual men in general are more prejudiced against bisexual men than anyone else. Heterosexual women in general view them is gay men who just can't come out.

    You can call this a falsehood you can carry on about your experience but it doesn't matter because I'm describing my experience and it has no bearing on yours.
     
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    And a lot, lot worse in the name of secularism.
     
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    False analogy. It is clear in the bible that homosexuality is a crime.
    It's also wrong in Christianity to prevent anyone from doing what they
    please - so long as they are not bearing your name.
    There are sects of "Christianity" that practice any number of things,
    but that doesn't say anything about Christianity.
     
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    The difference here is that the Inquisition and Crusades were conducted
    in SPITE of the bible.
    People who object to church goers being homosexual do so BECAUSE
    of the bible.
    Again, the bible sees no distinction between homosexuals, pedophiles,
    adulterers and the like.
     
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    Yes, it is a person ending their own life and should be completely 100% legal. We don’t even allow animals to suffer the way many areas of the country force people to endure.

    In the US? Can you cite a source?[/QUOTE]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3194801/

    It was practiced in all major religious texts and exists in many cultures.
     
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    You can observe that the sun is moving around the earth, and it would still be a falsehood. Mind you I am saying you have not observed what you have. Only that what you have is not in line with reality overall. It might we'll be as you noted in your region and the complete opposite in mine (which it is). I'm only saying that from previous research on this topic years ago, that the numbers were a little more balanced. Maybe they've shifted since, but I'm doubting it. Although, IIRC, there was more acceptance of bi's among the gays in metro areas than in subburban or rural, as a rule.
     
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    So say you, but those who conducted them said it was because of the Bible. Your say-so means nothing on how others interpert scripture. Your view is just as false to another as thier view is false to you.
     
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    What specific verses indicate homosexuality is a crime? The word “homosexuality” didn’t even show up in English translations of the Bible until 1946.

    Make sure to keep the verses in context - or I will be happy to do so for you.
     
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    Actually more polygyny than general polygamy was practiced. Polyamory and polygamy where there were two or more of both husband's and wives are not anywhere in the texts and scriptures.
     
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    Please spare me the "Greek translations" cop-out that some employ with these
    verses. The fact is the bible was the foundation of the legal restrictions on all
    forms of non-traditional sexuality - and the death penalty was applied. There is
    a whole industry for explaining away these verses.

    18 and 20 Lev
    "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Chapter 18
    verse 22. "If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed
    an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

    and in the New Testament another which comes to mind

    Romans 1:26-27
    “ For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change
    the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the
    natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working
    that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error......."
     
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    So....your loving God wants to kill his creations for loving each other in ways it deems incorrect even though it supposedly made them that way? And now because it wants them dead you cant make them a cake or pretty card when they want to pay you to do so, as your business advertises it will?

    To me you and your God seem to be very angry and nasty.....maybe everyone should refuse service to YOU.
     
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    On Lev, you specifically said that part was to be ignored as it was not mans law. Yet here you use it to condem others because you dislike them. I’m sure the absolute hypocrisy is lost on you here. You feel you are not bound to those laws but others are. Tell us, how does that work exactly?

    The romans passage was about elitist overindulgence, and misguided over-sexualized spirituality. It’s also cute that you don’t want to discuss the original translations (ie homosexual in the english version of the New Testament actually meaning soft in every other utterance).


    You are using the word of god as a weapon to persecute others - a most grevious sin. Some would argue the worst sin of all. You actively turn people away from the Lord because of your blind and willful ignorance.
     

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