Christian bakery wins 'gay cake' ruling from UK supreme court

His business didn't only decrease 18% but instead decreased the 18 months since they had been holding their meetings AND he asked them not to return. Your source confirms this

...business had declined in the 18 months since the bar became the group's gathering spot.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...d-transgender-customers-appeals-court-n432566

 

Afraid so. Just read the history of the Jewish people, right up until today.

 

Okay...perhaps we should just ditch current laws and go with the Torah instead? Maybe give capital punishment based on the Ten Commandments….unfortunately many Christians would die. In fact, what do we do with Catholic priests...can we make cakes for pedophiles?

 

That was his claim, the state investigation found that not to be true. I don’t know why you keep emphasizing he “asked them not to come”, that is a disbarment from the property — it wasn’t optional.

Which was also in the source...
Guess you missed that part...


Would you be ok with a bar asking a black group to stop coming?
What about a Christian group?
A Republican group?

Not because they were doing anything wrong or harassing anyone - but just ‘because’.

 

I think if Jesus could accept adultery he would of also accepted homosexuality

Teacher,” they said to Jesus, “this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 The law of Moses says to stone her. What do you say?(old testament)”
6 They were trying to trap him into saying something they could use against him, but Jesus stooped down and wrote in the dust with his finger. 7 They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!” 8 Then he stooped down again and wrote in the dust.
9 When the accusers heard this, they slipped away one by one, beginning with the oldest, until only Jesus was left in the middle of the crowd with the woman. 10 Then Jesus stood up again and said to the woman, “Where are your accusers? Didn’t even one of them condemn you?”
11 “No, Lord,” she said.
And Jesus said, “Neither do I. Go and sin no more......”"

"For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ...Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother's way."

Or are you one of those sinless Christians throwing a barrage of stones?

 

Nonsense. Most self identified homosexuals engage in sex with both sexes and simply choose to identify as homosexual. Most bisexuals choose to identify as heterosexual or homosexual. Welcome to the 21st century where you can identify as whatever you like.

 

Source?

 

Because its right there in the quote you provided

 

Given one's genetics are influenced by environmental factors .. it is a complicated affair.

When you go to the Buffet and see two fruits (pardon the pun) that you have never tried (say grapes and mango) You try the grape and like it. You try the mango and don't like it.

Was this a "choice" .. did you choose not to like the mango prior to tasting it ? Of course not. You either like it or you do not. This was not a choice .. it was a function of your body chemistry and so on.

When you look out into the world - do you find all women sexually attractive ? Nope (at least most of us don't). Some you like and some you don't. Did you "Choose" whether or not to be attracted ... Nope .. you just were.

Some men look out into the world and find men to be sexually attractive. It is what it is.

At the end of the day - what difference does it make. Do you want someone choosing for you who your sexual partner is ? If not - then why would you try to choose for others.

Its the golden rule - do unto others what you would have done to you .. one of the main principles of on which this nation was founded.

If you don't want others choosing your mate for you - then do not do the same to others. End of discussion.

 

But I didn't say I want to choose other people's mates for them. What are you on about?

 

Interesting analogy.

1) your comment should be "Christian POV is not only about things like Homosexual sex" a small but important correction.
2) Christians are welcome to their beliefs in a free society but, so are others.

There is a difference between 1) having a personal and religious belief and 2) forcing that belief on others through physical violence (Law).

In a free society one is allowed to select their own mate - rather than have someone else do it for them.

In relation to your analogy - adultery is not illegal. I may not agree with what the fellow is doing but, that does not give me the right to force my personal beliefs on him through physical violence.

Either one has respect for essential liberty or one does not.

 

That it is .. as well as logic and reason which is part of science.

 

No

 

Since god does not exist then I can't be a creation of god.
(FYI the bible makes nothing clear!)

 

I am not referring to "you" personally. It is a figure of speech. Substitute (if one) for you.

Not also the use of the term "If" If one does not want others choosing their mate, then they should not try to choose mates for others.

 

I don't think anyone's ever done anything in the name of secularism.

 

Indicating there are Scotsman that sugar their porridge but they are not true Scotsman.

 

I don't believe in psychic powers

What research?

 

The killing of 150,000,000 people in the 20th Century came about
because of secular causes. The philosophies of Darwin, Marx and
Nietzsche predominated. And most of the killers, like Mao, Stalin
and Hitler, repudiated their religious backgrounds.

What would replace religion? Nietzsche said it would be nihilism
and Dostoevsky said it would be Totalitarianism. Who was right?

 

Most are attracted to both sexes and CHOOSE to identify as one or the other. I know a bisexual who chooses to identify as a homosexual because he gets laid all the time as a homosexual and almost never as a middle aged, divorced, balding, overweight heterosexual.

 

you mistake those things for fighting for secularism. And that's not what it was. It was fighting for dominance power and control. True they were secular largely, but they weren't killing people in the name of no God. They were killing people for descent against the leader.

Who is talking about replacing religion? I personally think that's a very bad idea. Especially in western civilization where religion has shaped our society for millennia.

 

Ok, I don’t know why you keep repeating it however. He asked them not to come back because of their protected status. Thus the claim to the state. Thus the attempt at a settlement. Thus his refusal. Thus the fine.

Please stop editing out parts of my posts you don’t like. Either respond to the whole thing or don’t bother with any of it.

 

He's notorious for that.

 

Gay behaviour can be nurtured - an aggressive gay I worked with years ago tried his damndest with me (to no avail I should add) and had plenty of success with weaker individuals I'm convinced were never gay. And gay people can be subject to "gay cure" treatment and find themselves in unhappy heterosexual relationships. I recall something about Michelle Bachman's husband running a "gay cure" centre.

But apart from those odd exceptions, homosexuality is as naturally occurring as heterosexuality. They don't "choose" it. You have to wonder at the sanity of anyone who thinks a man, attracted to women, would "choose" to go with another man.

 

Where is a homosexual could just switch off being gay and be with a woman why wouldn't they?

People that talk about this sort of thing don't seem to understand. The last thing young man who is gay wants to be is gay. It makes a lot of things a lot more difficult.